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by EC1 3740 days ago
I was a lot happier a long time ago before I started reading HN / news in general. The "spark" that lit everything is gone.
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In particular reference to HN:

I read a comment somewhere (I think it was here, or perhaps another site) that Snowden was to HN what the SCO case was to Slashdot back in the day. That is - times were happier until it seemed like politics took over.

I'm not trying to knock either site. What I'm trying to get at is that there's a certain amount of group-think (group-angst in this case?) and if you immerse yourself exclusively in that, you start taking on that view. This 'existential angst' (I really can't think of a better term, though I know this isn't wholly adequate for what I'm trying to describe) is contagious.

HN became my daily news source when I finally got tired of Slashdot's political bent. After Snowden, HN has taken on a somewhat similar flavor. Don't get me wrong - I agree with a lot of it. I also know that sometimes I just have to step away from it, for my own happiness.

It's not about willful ignorance - it's about picking your battles and guarding your own interpretation and mood against the thoughts and mood of the group.

It makes me sad as well that the average person has no idea or understanding of the importance of the battle going on behind the scenes about their own privacy. These power-mad governments are more concerned with spying on their own people and removing any chance of privacy than actually doing good for the people who voted them in.

It just makes me sad... There's so much good that could come from computers, but our own governments just want to use them to spy on people. :-(

Ignorance, in the sense of ignoring the world around, you is bliss. I sometimes envy those who can live in their own world and nothing seems to affect their happiness.
I too am very smart.

But more seriously, if you correlate happiness with ignorance and pass that off as something you don't have the power to change, that is a mistake. Happiness and your attitude towards things is something you can work on.

> I too am very smart.

Intelligence, "smartness", and ignorance are all orthogonal.

Even very intelligent and very smart people can approach an issue with extreme bias and blatantly ignore (get it ;) news, facts, etc. that contradicts that bias.

I would argue that William Dembski[1] is both smart and intelligent, but I would also call him ignorant.

[Edit: my point being that people who choose to ignore the things that contradict their bias are happier as a result of their ignorance]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_A._Dembski

Apologies, I guess that was more of a reference appropriate for Reddit than HN.

> I too am very smart.

is a reference to the subreddit at https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart which points out people describing themselves as very smart, often in ironic ways. I realize now that it may have looked like I was actually making a claim about my own intelligence; I was not.

The joke was clear, but as eric_h explained it is largely a non-sequitur when talking about deliberate ignorance.
Is it better to be happy, or informed?
"It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied. And if the fool, or the pig, are of a different opinion, it is because they only know their own side of the question. The other party to the comparison knows both sides."

- John Stuart Mill

Can anyone really know what it's like to be a pig?

- Thomas Nagle paraphrased :)

Lots of people seem to be perfectly placed to know this. Much easier than knowing what it's like to be an eagle, for instance.
http://vladdolezal.com/blog/2011/circle-of-concern-circle-of...

Ignorance is bliss. Personally I'd rather be informed, that way when I do have the power to exert a little influence (such as in the voting booth) I'm more likely to make a decision that will steer away from more mess. Even so that almost always feels like decisions between various grades of bad rather than something good.

After September 11, 2001, I stopped listening to the news for about 5 years. I was tired of hearing one horrible thing after another. While I wasn't living under a rock, the things I did hear about -- Blackwater, Abu Ghraib, "Mission Accomplished" --- did nothing to make me want to pay attention again. In retrospect, I think it's too complacent a stance, but I still think a daily dose of bad news is excessive. Which is why I read up on the presidential primaries at a weekly interval.
Avoid subjecting yourself to the tyranny of false dichotomies. It's vastly superior to either alone.
It's not completely a false dichotomy.

A casual Google search says that "happy" == "feeling or showing pleasure or contentment".

The more informed you are, the more problems you will see and the less content you will be with the state of things. Problems aren't particularly conducive to happiness.

That said, ignorance is not necessarily bliss. It is better to be informed and be able to protect oneself from possible problems than it is to continue to pretend everything is fine and fall victim to eventual problems.

I need both.
Happy. Trying my best to get over existential dread.
Definitely happy.
I know what you mean. I've stopped reading Google news almost entirely.