[catfest]

Look, I'm all for Zach writing about his experience, but I never see him mention the whole incident with Julie Ann Horvath which is what I understand to be the reason he was fired.

Is there a reason he can't talk about what happened there?

[holman]

It didn't have anything to do with my departure, nor is it my story to tell.

[GFK_of_xmaspast]

Hey is it true that "[Holman] ... even admitted to plotting with Theresa Preston-Werner to get women at the company fired."?

[virtuexru]

Can you expand on this at all?

[unfunco]

Zach mentions his being fired as one of the top stories on Hacker News; Julie Ann Horvath is probably somewhere on that list too.

http://www.inc.com/abigail-tracy/github-julie-ann-horvath-hr...

[virtuexru]

Interesting read. Thanks.

[mathattack]

This? [0]

It seems like there is some namedropping here [1] too though I don't see anything explicitly tying them together. It may be hard to definitively know since it's an HR issue and generally separation agreements require both sides to keep quiet. (Non-disparagement clauses)

Per the article:

I’m still not fully certain why I got the axe; it was never made explicit to me. I asked other managers and those on the highest level of leadership, and everyone seemed be as confused as I was.

My best guess is that it’s Tall Poppy Syndrome, a phrase I was unfamiliar with until an Aussie told me about it. (Everything worthwhile in life I’ve learned from an Australian, basically.) The tallest poppy gets cut first.

[0] http://readwrite.com/2014/03/15/github-julia-ann-horvath-har...

[1] http://www.dailydot.com/business/julie-ann-horvath-names-git...

[dominotw]

>I’m still not fully certain why I got the axe; it was never made explicit to me.

Can people sue for wrongful termination if she/he was fired without reason being made explicit?

[ubernostrum]

In most parts of the US, no. Like the post says, "I don't like the shoes you're wearing today" is a perfectly legal reason to fire in an at-will state.

The only exception I'm aware of -- and why it's a great idea to get things in writing -- is in a couple of states it's possible to sue the employer if they said they'd do one thing and did another thing. Whether it's possible in your state, and whether it'd be worth the (both financial and emotional cost) of the legal proceedings, is something to talk to a lawyer about, though, and I am not one.

This exception is, by the way, the reason why employee handbooks and other company documents pretty much never explain specific procedures they'll use for correcting problems, other than a catch-all "may lead to termination". Putting a procedure in writing can lead to someone holding you to that procedure, and no well-advised company puts itself at that risk.

[mathattack]

Anyone can make a suit. (I've been on the receiving end of a frivolous one where the employee was caught committing fraud and sued anyway.) Frequently it's just cheapest for everyone to settle. A court date with expensive lawyers can cost more than a month's salary.

The law generally doesn't require a reason or documentation unless the employee is a protected class. If you are still positive with your boss or the CEO, you can usually ask off-line if you've signed something that says you won't sue.