[br3w5]

"No other language does anything remotely resembling that kind of thing". Have you ever worked on a Java EE project?

[dham]

I did JSF for 4 years, along with the rest of the Java EE stack. Glassfish web server. There was never churn like this . I was pretty enthusiastic about front end dev for years. I'm pretty burnt on it now though.

[br3w5]

I didn't mean the churn (Java EE could do with more churn) I meant in terms of setting up a project and the number of dependencies.