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The thing is, when the gov goes crazy it is usually against some group of people. If you are not part of that group then you may actually believe the gov is quite sane.

Also, all it takes is some really bad times for nice people to elect a tyrant. We've seen it before many times in history.

Trump phenomenon fueled on xenophobia, racism, and authoritarianism, which is scary for minorities, is an example of a gov that could go crazy.

I believed the negative hype about Trump till I actually listened to what he had to say in context. I don't agree with the guy on a lot, but the emotional reactions instead logical debate really need to stop

>Trump phenomenon fueled on xenophobia, racism, and authoritarianism, which is scary for minorities, is an example of a gov that could go crazy.

Sentences like this are not arguments they are emotional regurgitations of fear created by endless news cycles of ad hominem attacks and half truths.

Trumphobia is the irrational fear of Donald Trump created by media attacks on a candidate they can not control.

-Calls most Mexicans rapists ands stands by it

-tweets a statistic that most white people are killed by black people, never apologizes, refuses to backtrack

-pretends he has no idea who white extremist groups or the kkk are when asked point blank whether he will disavow their support

... The list goes on and on

I'm not defending trump, I just don't see a place for emotional "-ist" words based on very selective framing of someones speech.

we need to talk about illegal immigration and criminal activity. We need to talk about Black on Black violence not just police violence. Why should he know David Duke is? and he disavowed 15 times.

I love the push back, that is what america is about having debates about important issues, not shouting down people who have different opinions.

FireBeyond 3741 days ago

"David Duke, former grand wizard of the KKK... would you disavow his support or that of his organization?" "I don't know who David Duke is, and as for any organization, well, I'd have to do further research before disavowing their support"

The next day "Oh, of course I would. It was a bad earpiece they gave me, I told them it wasn't working well."

Well enough that he heard the question just fine and was able to put together a coherent (if bad) answer. Nope, blame your earpiece. Some disavowal that was.

Ok.. you might not trust him saying he had a bad earpiece but he did disavow many times. I'm still not seeing the most evil man on the planet as many try to associate him with. Every argument is based on 90% emotion and a tiny bit of negatively framed fact.

[0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/...

krapp 3741 days ago

>Why should he know David Duke is?

Donald Trump knows perfectly well who David Duke is and what he stands for[0].

>Donald Trump knows perfectly well who David Duke is

fair enough, good debate on if trump knew him, but since that first interview where he claimed to have a bad ear piece he had disavowed him many times since. I know it gets a lot of air time because the media gets to say "Trump" and "kkk" in the same sentence but this is just an association fallacy and not even an evidence for anyones argument.

http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf

>Calls most Mexicans rapists ands stands by it

(slanted framing)

Because they are illegals the stats are difficult to prove or disprove.

-An estimated 25,000 of these undocumented immigrants serving sentences for homicide

-A cumulative total of 2.89 million offenses committed by these undocumented immigrants between 2003 and 2009 (although half a million of these were for immigration-related offenses)

-Among those offenses: An estimated 42,000 robberies, 70,000 sex crimes, 81,000 auto thefts, 95,000 weapons offenses, and 213,000 assaults

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/anecdotes-eviden...

Nationwide, illegals are Five time Less likely to be in prison than native born US citizens. Also, immigration violations, not violent acts account for most immigrants in federal prison.

Now that is a good argument. I don't give a shit who win the illusion of choice professional wrestling match we call US presidential elections. I would like to see Trumps ideas discussed logically instead of putting blinders on to real problems that are hard to deal with.

ta0967 3741 days ago

> > Trump phenomenon fueled on xenophobia, racism, and authoritarianism, which is scary for minorities, is an example of a gov that could go crazy.

> Sentences like this are not arguments they are emotional regurgitations of fear created by endless news cycles of ad hominem attacks and half truths.

or maybe they're simple observations of the guy himself talking uninterrupted in his election rallies. i saw some on tv, it was embarrassing.

I agree he is a sales man and it can be off putting to a lot of people. On the other hand comparing him to the qualities of Hitler is a extreme misrepresentation and it is just godwin's law.

ta0967 3741 days ago

you're the first to pull the hitler card in this thread.

though you have a point, his campain does resemble Hitler's. sure, it's jews in one and brown people in the other... other than that? the greatest nation on earth under siege! let's make this country great again! they will pay for what they've done to us!

[1]http://www.ukemonde.com/holocaust/victims.html

>xenophobia, racism, and authoritarianism, which is scary for minorities, is an example of a gov that could go crazy

These are the qualities of hitler, I pull it to illustrate how ridiculous and lazy your arguments are.

You get offended by someone saying people coming over the boarder illegally are criminals, yet it is ok compare Trump to someone that called for the killings of tens of millions of people most not jews or brown, but white[1]. I don't see the media yelling for apologies on that one...

Loque 3741 days ago

I would argue that if Trump gets voted in, it is the people who are crazy. I do see your point though - I guess everything feels very nice and pedestrian here... nothing owning guns would solve anyway.

I would also argue that all those xenophobic trump fans can legally own guns...

After the last elections in the UK, I don't really trust the "general public" =D

The US founders also did not trust the general population which is why the electoral college was used to elect the president. Being young I could not understand why when I first read about it. I understand now why, the masses can be quite stupid as demonstrated many times by history.

geggam 3741 days ago

All that tells me is you forget the lessons others have learned the hard way.

Experience is a dear teacher but fools will learn no other way.

pjc50 3741 days ago

Again, we actually had an armed insurrection in the UK in Northern Ireland, including civilians being shot dead by the military, and it offends me to see people fantasising about political violence as some kind of first resort. It went on for decades, killing and immiserating a large number of people.