[coliveira]

If what you're trying to learn is how to manipulate people, then I agree, he is a master. There is a name for this type of people, they're called con men. Trump is a sales person. He has trained himself to sell anything, and he is just selling a quick solution for people that feel disenfranchise by the current political system.

[MicroBerto]

He is selling exactly what a serious amount of people in this country want. If you don't know that then you don't understand America. Go work in a factory for a year.

[danenania]

What a serious amount of uneducated racist people want.

This has been tried before a number of times in history. It doesn't end well, for the working class or anyone else.

[MicroBerto]

> uneducated racist people

You sorely overestimate anyone's intentions. Nearly all Trump types simply want productive jobs and to be left alone. I know this because I've worked in factories with them (non-Union).

If it's racist to not want to send my job to China, then you really need to check the definition of racism.

And why is it that so many legal immigrants are pro-Trump? Hmmm.....

[coliveira]

Should we try to read intentions beyond what he is literally saying? The defense of Trump is solely based on the idea that he doesn't mean what he says. But this is tantamount to say that he is a liar. If that is the case, how can someone ever trust him? If you need to build on fear and lies to be elected, it is anyone's guess what might be the result.

[MicroBerto]

> the idea that he doesn't mean what he says.

No Trump supporter is saying this at all. Most highly agree on at least one of his major platform issues. If we've learned one thing, it's that he means exactly what he says, and won't back down or apologize. This only makes him stronger.

The days of believing this guy is dumb are over. He has single-handedly changed everything in American politics, and did it while people like you were believing he was a clown. That too, makes him stronger.

[coliveira]

Ok, if you believe what he says this means that I am right. I would never vote for someone who treats women as meat and hates other cultures.

[coliveira]

Except that he cannot provide it. Most of his proposals would require to overturn centuries of laws and other American traditions. Promising that is akin to trying to sell the statue of liberty.

[MicroBerto]

Building a border? Forcing existing immigration laws to be upheld?

[coliveira]

I mean simple things like deporting 11 million people, killing families of terrorists, legalizing torture, and closing the US to China imports, just for starters.

[MicroBerto]

> deporting 11 million people

Not impossible. Other Presidents weren't even trying and they removed between 1-2 million.

I don't think you understand the amount of power ICE has if unhandcuffed and fully supported.

Plus, they can come back in legally. With papers. Through the door. What on earth is so hard about that???

> killing families of terrorists

We already do this - not directly, but if we know a family is shielding a high-value target, we will hit the entire building.

> legalizing torture

This is perhaps hyperbole, but wanting to play on a level playing field is not exactly an earth-shattering request. There are ways to intimidate without 'torture'.

> closing the US to China imports

Doubtful, but pushing for tariffs from Congress is within reason and would be supported by a great part of America.