[nailer]

And that's what I really want to hear from John - not arguing over who did what, but a simple statement along the lines of:

'Adobe will modify existing tools, or create new tools that allow content creators to do 2D and 3D drawing, and/or video, using Canvas and HTML Video, with the output not relying on Adobe Flash technologies '

or:

'Adobe will not modify existing tools, or create new tools that output to Canvas and HTML Video'

Either answer shows whether they're committed to a rich web with these features built in as standard.