[anton_gogolev]

Oh give me a break.

> ...the drawback is that each time you refresh the view you have to resend all the markup. You're increasing the total amount of data that's going back and forth between the browser and the server.

For like 99.9% of applications this is a non-issue. For crying out loud, StackOverflow itself has been doing server-side rendering since day one and is still heaps and bounds more usable than WhateverTheHellIsTrendingOnHn.js-based single page isomorphic rich web applications.

It might be my age showing, but, while completely agreeing with you on "progressive enhancement all the way", I find that too freakin' much resources nowadays are spent doing and re-doing and re-inventing something that was working fine in the first place.

[spiderfarmer]

I completely agree. I settled on using sockets.io for the small pieces of my website that can benefit from the realtime aspect of Angular and friends. It's shocking how little code you need to make an awesome 'modern' website. All pages load in under 200ms on first load and I can mostly stick to what I know.