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by pdeuchler 3759 days ago
not defending the parent, but Falun Gong organ harvesting by the Chinese government is widely considered to be a real human rights crisis by many different countries, the EU, and the UN. It was also admitted by the Deputy Health Minister[0] in 2005.

[0] http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia/article2612313...

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Minor correction: organ harvesting by the Chinese government on death row prisoners is considered human rights crisis by many countries, so is the death sentence itself. Also, illegal organ harvesting by criminals probably exists, but is a serious crime.

Organ harvesting falun gong member just because they were part of a cult is a large leap of logic from what the government claims to do, and has been debunked many times. I was there when the cult was declared illegal, the few staunch practitioners in my neighbourhood were harassment by elderly women in neighbourhood watches daily, but few actually went to jail, let alone being sentenced to die or have their organs missing.

On the whole country's level, especially after the organization turned from a cult to anti-CCP dissident group, I won't be surprised some leaders are captured or even killed.

If anything, the successful campaign to legitimize falun gong, and various rumours they spread just shows how easily the public can be manipulated with fake facts. I didn't realize how many people actually believe in those propagandas until today, it has been quite a shocking revelation.

Just to put things in perspective, back before the cult was outlawed, their leader was advocating against seeing doctors when one is ill, and that practicing his school of qigong will cure all their problems.

This is a weird comment, you go from disputing my organ harvesting claim to just repeating Chinese propaganda while at the same time accusing me of doing the same but for the Falun Gong.

Perhaps you can explain where China gets the organs for their record setting transplant rates? Research has shown the organs they account for coming from death row inmates outpaces the number of death row inmates by several orders of magnitude (several thousands of transplants supposedly came from 14 death row inmates in one province that harbored the most Falun Gong during the early 2000s). Please point me to some of these debunkings, because I can't seem to find any by a reputable source. Meanwhile the EU and United Nations have clearly accused the Chinese government of harvesting Falun Gong organs.

But besides that, the Chinese government itself has admitted that over 2,000 Falun Gong members have died as a result of torture and abuse while being held for religious beliefs (in and of itself a human rights violation). Given that the government has been accused of lighting people on fire in public simply to discredit Falun Gong I wouldn't put it past them to harvest organs as well. At one point Falun Gong members made up 50% of long time prisoners in China. If organ harvesting is happening in general (which has been a long standing accusation), the statistics say Falun Gong members were highly likely to be among those abused.

Sure, the president himself might not have ordered a massive conspiracy. Doesn't mean the government doesn't harvest the organs of religious dissidents. It's very strange you'd use the term "legitimize" though, as if people needed to be "legitimate" in order to practice a religious belief.

Oh, and just to put things in perspective we have plenty of holistic medicine crazies here in the US. We just don't demonize, imprison, and execute them.

Keep in mind we live in a country where a sizable population still believes Planned Parenthood harvests fetuses from abortions.