[jdhawk]

Dont underestimate the diet. You can waste a lot of Gym Time & Effort by having a shit diet. That time and effort lifting things will be 1/2 as valueable if you dont eat properly.

You dont have to go Dwayne Johnson on it, but eat a little cleaner, get a lot more protein, dont be worried to put on a little pudge (if you're a skinny kid). You can quickly lose the fat, but the muscles are impossible to gain without the food.

[beachstartup]

i will add that if you aren't tracking calories, the only person you're fooling is yourself. quantify, quantify, quantify.

it's biology, which is a science, not a religion!