[sdrothrock]

> So effectively what you're saying is that we should eliminate ad networks. There is no reasonable way to screen every ad before it is shown when using an ad network.

Or you could have ad networks that only circulate carefully vetted/curated ads.

Imagine if you had an ad network that was picky and only allowed ads that were clever/interesting, short, not annoying, and didn't lead to malicious/fake products!

[tempestn]

Most of the good ad networks today (like Adsense) try very hard to do this already. The problem is that it's not easy. For instance, how do you stop a malicious advertiser from creating a legitimate looking ad that points to a legitimate looking page, then redirecting it to a different page after the ad is vetted? What if it only redirects for certain IP address ranges? And that's just one example of a technique a malicious advertiser could use. None of the top tier networks want malicious ads on their platforms. The problem is that it's difficult to remove them.

Also, even if you could catch everything with manual human vetting of every ad, it would be cost-prohibitive. (Either you would have to pay less to publishers, or charge more to advertisers. The latter would likely be a non-starter, because it is already difficult for most small advertisers to run positive ROI campaigns. The former would put further pressure on publishers, making them even less likely to accept the risk of these proposed lawsuits.)

I would love to see online advertising improved, and I think there are certainly possible ways to go about it. I'm just trying to illustrate that it's not as easy as, "don't let people publish or distribute bad ads."

To borrow the analogy from the article, we couldn't stop spam by going after the email providers for allowing it through.

[zwetan]

"Or you could have ad networks that only circulate carefully vetted/curated ads."

No, you make it simpler than that

you simply forbid ads to be interactive or to contain any code

eg. you do only static ads like text, image, video

no code, no way to hide nasty stuff

[hackerfactor]

Your proposed approach will stop direct risks to browsers, but does nothing for ads that link to web pages that are hostile. E.g., you click on an ad because you are interested in the product and get directed to a phishing site or a site offering counterfeit goods or a site that has malware and infects your browser.

It's not just the graphic used by the ad, it's also the ad's destination.

[manigandham]

We solve all this by having a platform that syndicates sponsored content directly to the user. They click but stay on a rendered page controlled by us. No 3rd party assets or destination to worry about.

[jarcane]

So disable linking.

The clickthrough rate on internet ads is execrable. Frequently in the fractions of a percent at best.

No other advertising space operates on the assumption that linking represents.

Eliminating linking and leaving pure visual ads would be in line with every other form of advertising in existence, and eliminate the "problem" of click fraud, link-bait, and actually fraudulent links.

Do we really need a business model that exists largely to enable ad networks to defraud each other and consumers? We have advertising standards bodies that are meant to prevent this kind of thing in every other form of advertising, but somehow the internet is "special"?

[marvy]

So you end up with ads that say: copy/paste this URL. What have you solved?

[jarcane]

I think realistically, the friction against such a method is strong. People can scarcely be arsed to bother with QR-codes anymore. It could still happen, but this sounds an awful lot like a "perfect is the enemy of the good" sort of argument. Is not some X% of the problem better than the 100% that we have now?

[manigandham]

Our ad network does this. It works. The problem is that the larger global ad industry doesn't have much regulation or enforcement so it's very easy to run scams and nobody gets in trouble for it. The infrastructure players don't care since they make money on volume, not quality.

Basic incentives - until they're fixed nothing will change.