[prodigal_erik]

> some things that very clearly should be objects, such as classes, are not objects

I don't get it. java.lang.Object.getClass() always returns an instance of java.lang.Class. What other behavior would you require before saying that Java classes are objects?

[oopd]

In Smalltalk, when you type the name of a class you are really referencing a global variable that refers to a class object. "Dictionary new" means send the message #new to Dictionary, and the Dictionary class object will respond by giving you a new instance of itself. "Dictionary compile: 'foo ^ 42' classified: #accessing" will add a method "foo" to Dictionary under the "accessing" category that will return 42 (an instance of SmallInteger). Classes in Smalltalk are living objects available for manipulation at all times. They have their own instance variables/methods, just like any other object. Java, C++ and C# treat the class as some sort of namespace into which you can place global functions/variables.

[michaelneale]

Right yes of course that is vastly different. One way is to think of classes as immutable (which they are, in that sense). Of course adding a method to a class is possible - but being statically compiled makes that somewhat less useful ;)