[the_ancient]

>They've unlocked many phones in the past for the government

I do not really see why this is always brought up. Ofcourse they unlocked phones in the past, they had a master password, they could not legally refuse to do it. There was no legal way for them to resist such actions by the government

Do you understand the difference between the security model today, and previous versions of the iPhone?

Further I do believe there is a Fundamental Difference between Apple run by Steve Jobs, and Apple run by Tim Cook in how they view government. This is why your seeing Apple shift its technology to resist government agents as well as more "traditional" threats

//For the Record, I hate apples business model, and their Walled Garden Ecosystem. I will never own a iPhone because of that, however this on going theme of "well they unlocked it in the past" is just technological ignorance that need to be put down.

[givinguflac]

What do you mean by hating their business model? Genuinely curious. I don't like Google collecting and selling my personal data so I don't use their products. What is your reasoning for "hating" Apple's model? Seems pretty identical to other companies except they don't collect and sell user data.

[the_ancient]

>What do you mean by hating their business model? Genuinely curious.

They do not support open protocols, they do not support interoperablity, they want to much control over the device I supposedly bought from them..

I have to use their App Store, they Operating System, their Backup (iCloud), their Desktop App (iTunes) etc etc etc

There is no F-Driod, for iOS for example.

I hate walled gardens.

>Seems pretty identical to other companies except they don't collect

They may not sell it, but they are certainly collecting data about you...

[jayarcanum]

Things of all kinds went wrong after Steve left us. They've lost their way.

[the_ancient]

In what way?

You preferred the less secure work with the government in all things Apple? that is what Steve Jobs Apple was...

[jayarcanum]

I preferred when the software didn't suck and got out of the way. I preferred when they built truly world glass hardware with out of this world materials. I'll keep all the downvotes fuckers, no prob.