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by dragonwriter 3777 days ago
> There is a very clear and obvious distinction between the plant and animal kingdoms.

Sure, but whether the things which make up that distinction have particular ethical significance is a different question. And I have yet to see any definition of sentience for which both of the following are true:

(1) It does, in fact, apply to all animals and no plants, and

(2) Most people would agree that it has ethical significance.

In fact, I haven't seen any definition of sentience for which even (1) alone is true.

> Like I said, even if it were true that plants feel pain the same as animals, one would still be compelled to go vegan, since animals "kill" more plants than people do by eating them directly.

That seems to a apply a utilitarian standard of ethics, not the categorical one which is usually in arguing that veganism is an ethical compulsion (under the categorical ethics usually applied to argue for veganism, recognizing plants as sentient would make eating either inexcusable, even if it were a survival necessity.)

Once you accept that its a utilitarian matter, determining that something is ethically demanded requires agreeing to a particular ethical calculus -- a method of aggregating utilities and disutilities experienced by different participants. And there's an infinite number of possible functions that can be used, and they can support any possible conclusion.

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> under the categorical ethics usually applied to argue for veganism, recognizing plants as sentient would make eating either inexcusable

Veganism is the ethical position that animals should not be exploited for food, clothing and other purposes. If you want to start a Compassion for Carrots organization, be my guest, but please don't form conjecture on others' behalf. You've also not yet provided evidence for plants' sentience, so you haven't actually given reason for considering the abuse of animals to be ethical or acceptable.

>You've also not yet provided evidence for plants' sentience

So you dont care about the morality of ending life, you only care about the morality of ending sentient life - got it.

I'm glad you were finally able to realize the distinction between sentient and non-sentient life. Nice talking with you!
oh so you ignored my central point all along adn instead took my philosophical question of all life vs some life, and decided to defend veganism against a phantom attack.

Well you win, veganism is definitely the superior lifestyle choice, you are a better person than everyone on earth who isnt vegan. There are zero philosophical or moral quandries that exist within veganism, especially with respect to the value of life.

This is exactly what i was getting at, but vastly more well worded