[pash]

If you want the hard sell, watch Charlie Rose's interview last Friday with Cyrus Vance, the Manhattan district attorney, and Jon Miller, the NYPD's head of counterterrorism [0].

You will hear a lot of ugly words and phrases like "terrorist," "rape," and "child pornography," as well as a lot of pleasant ones like "protection," "safety," "democracy," and "the American public." You will hear an argument that iOS 7's security model was great, and that Apple is challenging the U.S. government as a marketing pitch to foreigners.

You will not hear much that sounds like the sort of thing people say on Hacker News.

0. http://www.pbs.org/video/2365672280/

[jonpaine]

Ha - thanks. :) I'll watch it. But I'm specifically asking here because I'm trying to understand and learn from the rational arguments. There's never a challenge finding inflammatory or disingenuous ones, and there's not much to learn from them either (on either side of most topics - not unique to this one).