[MCRed]

Lets see, english major up to her ears in debt, moves to San Francisco for a CSR job?

I think we need to up the math requirements for english degrees.

Alas you can't teach common sense.

I would be a lot more sympathetic if I weren't constantly being bombarded by BernieBros insisting we need "Free" college educations and all kinds of other handouts.

Sorry, I grew up poor, I didn't get lucky, I worked hard. I made my own luck.

She made her own bed, and then set it on fire.

[keyanp]

I agree, the post was a terrible idea. And yes it comes off as a bit whiny and yes there are certainly improvements that can be made to her personal finance skill. All that said, your comment is not fair.

Have we reached a point where only those with STEM degrees and $100k+ salaries deserve to live in SF? You didn't just work hard, you were lucky enough to have the aptitude and interest in a field with stable job opportunities. Others may not have the same interests or abilities. And how boring would it be if we were all engineers anyway?

The author is frustrated with student debt, stagnant wages, and an inflated SV housing market. All valid concerns that millions of other Americans are echoing today. To top it off she is treated as expendable and fired as soon as she starts speaking out. Given that, maybe you could have some compassion? Or at least not resort to making an ad hominem attack?

[wanderer2323]

Here you go, using the same word that got "the author" in her situation. 'Deserve'. I don't know whether she - or anyone else 'deserves' to live in SF. But I know that she was not able to - or, at least she was not able to find the standards of living she wanted.

Being able to is a math question. Take your salary A after taxes, subtract B = rent, subtract C = payments on the loan you are planning to take to cover the move, subtract D = other monthly costs of living, subtract E = food costs. A-B-C-D-E = X . If X is less than acceptable (or even less than zero) don't move.

'Deserve', the word you (and "the author", although she does not spell it directly) use, is a proxy for 'wanna wanna wanna'. Guess what, even if you 'wanna wanna wanna' ('deserve', 'have a dream to') to live in SF, that won't help you a bit. An adult is supposed to be able to understand this. That's why there some of us don't have much compassion for the author.

P.S. 'Deserve' is also a political tool, most often used lately to justify wealth redistribution. That's why user MCRed immediately connects the author to the Berniebros. I do too.

[foldr]

These are people who are being employed by companies in SF and yet who are not paid enough to live in SF. It's a disgrace. You can get people to fill these jobs because a lot of people are desperate right now, but that doesn't make it ok. If the author hadn't taken this job, someone else would have, and that person would be in exactly the same dire financial straights.

[wanderer2323]

Did you even read the OP? "The author" moved from somewhere to SF, found a job and took it. She was not desperate, not without stretching the meaning of the word too far.

[foldr]

You clearly didn't read my post, because I didn't say that the author of the article was desperate. My point was that even if a job radically underpays, it's still possible to fill it right now. Yelp are exploiting people who for whatever reason are willing to accept offers for jobs that don't pay a living wage. Judging by her description of her hourly wage she's not making more than $30,000 a year, even if you assume that she's working 7 days per week every week. More realistically, she's probably making more like $25,000. I lived in DC from 2007-2010 on $23,000 with roommates, in a city that was much cheaper than SF is now, and it was basically impossible. I certainly ended up getting into debt. I would not judge someone who is having a hard time paying their living expenses in SF on that sort of wage.

Also, why are you putting "the author" in scare quotes? She is the author of the article we're discussing.

[nolite]

Maybe at some point we should stop doing jobs that don't pay us enough to survive...?

[chris11]

How do you expect people to survive if all they get are bad job offers? Sure she should move to a different city, but it's really screwed up if a city is unable to provide decent jobs to an entire group of people.

[dsajames]

How is that screwed up? Nothing wrong with that. People are just bitter because they want in at a special price to something that has already been built and already shown to be great.

Why not move somewhere else and help make it great?

Anyway, if it continues like this, SF will collapse on its own and all those people who fought for special benefits to get in will be fighting for equally special benefits to leave.

[SilasX]

She almost certainly had better financial options; she wasn't suffering severe disabilities. It's just that these options weren't the kind of thing that would lead her to her dream job/life.

In a sense, this is no different from the tradeoff everyone has to make between "stuff you enjoy doing" vs "stuff that will pay". Someone who knowingly makes a sacrifice to get close to the job they want is different from someone who simply can't find work at all; the author was far more like the former than the latter.

[chris11]

Sure, taking the job wasn't a good decision. But I don't have any compassion for companies who pay full-time employees poorly enough that they are required to choose between getting outside funding (like family or a second job) and going into debt.

[wanderer2323]

The choice is actually "don't move to SF (unless you can afford it".

[chris11]

That is definitely her responsibility. But the company is choosing to offer salaries that do not cover living expenses. And I think that is really unethical.

[SilasX]

Hm, that just make me realize something: we prohibit people from taking (or offering) jobs with wages below a minimum ... but we allow them to also live in places (and be offered such rentals) so expensive that that they're in poverty, under a more reasonable "discretionary income" metric.

Doesn't seem consistent.

[dsajames]

Are you implying the government should tell you where you have to live? It's been tried before.

Perhaps a better idea would be to simply educate people in household economics with available books, podcasts, TV shows, libraries, etc.

Oh wait, we already do that.

[pandincus]

I also grew up poor, and I also worked hard, and I've made my own luck. But the system is rigged, my friend. Only some of us will be able to "make our own luck." Are we not supposed to look after those of us who have failed?

I'm glad the OP wrote this article. Sure, I disagree with their choices, but that doesn't matter. I'm hearing about these kinds of stories more and more in SF. When are we going to do something about it?

[wanderer2323]

Doing 'something' about it is doing 'something' about the choices you disagree with (= limiting people's ability to make those choices). Until you understand this all you proposing is to shield people even more from the consequences of their bad choices. This does not help.