[hackercomplex]

> Heck even if you breath water vapor all day it won't be good for you, there is no way in hell that breathing in "hot" vapor can be good

Is the vapor really any warmer than body temp when it goes into your lungs though ? I just conducted an experiment where I took a puff of a vaporizer but kept the vapour in my mouth, then I probed with my index finger and honestly the air temp felt about the same as it does without the vapour.

Also I wonder if vaping a pack a day while living in the a prestine wilderness setting would be more safe than breathing regular air all day in a large metro with auto air pollution. I suppose it probably depends what flavors are in your liquid, and which city.

Then there's the question of whether or not it's safe to be nicoteen in the first place. The way I look at it sugar and coffee are probably equally bad if not worse for the body, but I haven't looked at it in depth

[dogma1138]

I can't really comment on your anecdotal experiment because well it wasn't exactly done under controlled conditions and while i appreciate the level of accuracy you assign to your index finger i'm not quite sure how accurate it is really :)

And yes we already live in the world with 1000's of environmental risk factors that may cause or increase the likelihood of contracting cancer, the first of which is probably the fact that if we survive trough our early 20's we are expected to live another 60-70 years instead of 30 or so 2000 years ago.

But if you really think that regardless of flavor or composition vaping is some how smoking with no consequences you are only fooling yourself.

Vaping should be looked as a tool that can enable you to quit smoking more easily not as a leisure activity or a life style choice.

After all nicotine it self is indirectly linked to cancer since it seems to mess with the natural mechanisms that prevent cancer in cells.

As far as overall health goes I would suggest to stick to the low powered ecig pens and not dragging around one of those car battery powered human smoke machine monsters that I've seen quite a few folks walking about with lately (which are probably the reason that ecigs are being banned everywhere now, a vape-pen produces like no visible vapor; whilst those big power bricks can be used to conceal military maneuvers), as they operate at a fraction of the power and also limit the consumption of eliquid, them being also much more unpleasant to use than the higher end stuff should also have some effect on the frequency of use.

[hackercomplex]

well I certainly didn't mean to imply that you were full of hot air. :) and although I agree with you about nicotine but I'm personally more interested in the idea of consuming medicinal plant oils this way as a form of relaxation therapy because it would seem that cannabis prohibition is rapidly evapourating in the United States. I suspect it'll be a lot more difficult for scientists to find any medical evidence that this form of vaping is harmful, that is once they're finally able to conduct research into it.

One problem with conducting this kind of science however is that different varieties of cannabis have different profiles of cannabnoids and turpentines, so what science would really need first is a way to determine what genetics are what. This is why I'm so excited about the work that is being done to track the genetics.. here is a fascinating interview with a leading scientist about this if you're interested:

https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/episode-73-distributed...

When it comes to aesthetics though I think we're on the same page about those portable smoke monstrosities.