[edwinnathaniel]

> Yes, there are lots of options... just like development on any other platform or in any other language.

Errr, not really.

Let's pick a platform/language: Java

Build => maven (majority)

Unit-Test => JUnit (majority), Mockito (helper) Version => don't care, anything from Java 5 and above are good enough

Framework => Spring Framework or JEE (all batteries included)

Keep in mind either Spring Framework or JEE do component libraries so one does not have to use everything in there and they can mix-and-match.

spring-tests component provides stub objects for a few important JEE/Spring objects in case if you need them.

Ok, let's try one more time with: Ruby

Build => gems + rake + bundler

Unit-Test => Test::Unit or Rspec

Version => 1.8.7 or above, not a big issue, (having said that Rails do influence the version uptake)

Framework => Rails, Sinatra

I like what I'm seeing from these two ecosystems: high-quality tools that help me be more productive without spending too much time in either selecting or setting things up.

[jhall1468]

Well if we just want to pick majorities than we can do the exact same thing in JS.

Build => npm + Gulp (optional) + Webpack

Unit-Test => Karma + Jasmine or Karma + Mocha + Sinon

Framework => React+Redux+Data (modular) or Angular (all batteries included)

Same deal. High quality tools. You are pretending that there aren't hundreds of frameworks for Ruby (Cuba, Brooklyn, Scorched, Hobbit). The only people overwhelmed by choices are people afraid to make one.

[edwinnathaniel]

It's not that simple I think.

For example, in the framework front, you guys argued that React is way better than Angular. I don't even know what's going on with Ember.js, Vue.js (fine, I'll give that this one is very new and untested), Backbone+Marionette.

I don't see that kind of argument in the other communities.

Your build: why are you omitting Grunt? What about broccoli and bower? what about Yeoman? Bower is kind of a big deal for front-end dev.

There's no "majority" in the JS world unlike the other ecosystems.

Cuba? I heard Cuba _once_ in HN. Brooklyn and the rest? never heard.

There are bajillion newer Java "microservice" frameworks but the usage is just rounding error.

Also keep in mind that in other ecosystems, the major players are already established while in JS ecosystems, all of them are considered new/young. There is no _established_ players for each tool segment (except unit-testing where I think Mocha is better than Jasmine, unfortunately due to lack of exposure and whatnot, Jasmine is still lurking around)