[jqm]

Ya, well, we're all gonna die one day too. (Maybe). I can't prove it though and I'm unsure of when. But please indulge my worrying about it's immanence. I am a glass half empty kind of guy.....

As for the apocalypse, I've been waiting since 1980. And its coming to the point I've about given up. I'm still eating long term dried food rations packed in 2006 and they don't taste very good. I'm kind of starting to suspect that things change but somehow life keeps right on going.

Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present.

-Marcus Aurelius

[codingdave]

The best way to live is to be prepared for continued success and prosperity in our society, yet also know what to do in case of utter collapse, or of anything in between.

Hence my coding job and investments on one hand, and living on a self-sustainable homestead on the other. If I never need to use my homestead, and just end up giving my children a piece of land worth enough to retire on... that sounds just fine.

[ZanyProgrammer]

"Hence my coding job and investments on one hand, and living on a self-sustainable homestead on the other"-Probably not very possible for most people. I suppose living in a rural area with a good job allows that, but a lot of people in rural areas/small towns aren't upper middle class programmers who live off the grid with "sustainable homesteads".

[viraptor]

I think you're talking about extremes here, but that's not necessary.

> but a lot of people in rural areas/small towns aren't upper middle class programmers who live off the grid with "sustainable homesteads".

Just moving out of a big city with a similar job gives you a lot of extra cash for saving / planning. It gives you extra time, because you don't need to commute and the one shop is just down the street. You get calmer, more relaxing life.

You don't need to live completely off the grid or fully sustainable. But the extra savings gives you ability to invest in some solar energy/heating. And a tiny garden requires next to no effort and can give you a lot of food once you get a hang of it.

And actually yes, there are a few remotely working tech people in my village of ~2k.