[splintercell]

> India just got free from a colonial power which had sneaked in with trade as a excuse and then ruined pretty much everything for the next 3 centuries. <

It's funny though West Germany, which was completely ruined by WW2 emerged as a lot more prosperous country than what India did for the first 40 years. Do you have any idea how badly Germany was bombed.

If you say things like "But Germany is an exception because X", then think why East Germany couldn't be as rich. East Germany was about as poor as West Germany after WW2.

Similarly, Korean split was another one of those examples. You may say that economics doesn't matter, but the fact is that it does. 1990s onwards we have made our lives so much better, and the shit didn't have to be so bad for our forefathers and parents.

All Indians do is give excuses for why India was poor, but nearly all their excuses can be best represented by the biggest excuse of them all 'Hindu rate of growth'.

[kamaal]

South Korea is a country that's like 1/2 the size of Karnataka, and is mostly a US colony. With US military bases and its economy largely set up to keep China in check.

Germany(Which was highly developed nation even before WW2) and Korea, were split to become proxies for USSR and US. A move in which people lost a more than they gained. We opted to be non allied. The magic is not capitalism. The magic is in being a proxy state to a super power(The very thing we gained independence from).

>>1990s onwards we have made our lives so much better, and the shit didn't have to be so bad for our forefathers and parents.

You are looking at the results, without looking at the ingredients and ecosystem required to produce those results. Capitalism doesn't work the way you think. There is no magical wand, or a policy incantation that can fix things without supporting infrastructure and ecosystem. There is no way, no magical mantra to pull out thousands of non existent engineers/doctors/skilled professionals out of the nothing in 1947, in an country where 95% were farmers, and the remainder in non productive jobs. There is also no way without this absent workforce and non existent money for you to build hundreds of industries and businesses. In a non existent government institution to collect taxes, and then build road and other supporting infrastructure. Even the US after all these years heavily relies on skilled professionals from foreign countries coming to their country and builds the ecosystem for them to immigrate, and those skilled professional go there because they are constantly building those infrastructure to support it.

You are inheriting a country, which doesn't have a proper working administration. Let alone institutions to collect taxes, or plan economies at scale. Nor do you have access to skilled talent, or ecosystem or infrastructure to build industries.

Yet despite all this we have crawled our way out.

The only reason why you see the free market reforms in 92 even worked is because, there was an industrial base in South India, and there were engineering colleges that had been developed over time, producing engineers and industries, which can now be scaled to a larger economy.

>>All Indians do is give excuses for why India was poor, but nearly all their excuses can be best represented by the biggest excuse of them all 'Hindu rate of growth'.

Or somebody like you should show us, how one could actually create stuff out of literal nothing.

[dragonwriter]

> If you say things like "But Germany is an exception because X", then think why East Germany couldn't be as rich. East Germany was about as poor as West Germany after WW2.

West Germany was an exception because the US, primarily, poured vast resources into it as a bulwark against communist expansion, both ideologically and militarily, into Western Europe.

The reasons why that doesn't apply to East Germany are, well, pretty obvious.

> Similarly, Korean split was another one of those examples.

Well, yes, there is a similarity between South Korea and Germany...

[coldtea]

>It's funny though West Germany, which was completely ruined by WW2 emerged as a lot more prosperous country than what India did for the first 40 years. Do you have any idea how badly Germany was bombed. If you say things like "But Germany is an exception because X", then think why East Germany couldn't be as rich. East Germany was about as poor as West Germany after WW2.

Well, West Germany is an exception because it gotten a Cold War ally and darling immediately after the war.

They're also very favorably placed in the center of Europe, and were given lots of help to try to rebuild their economy (their sugar daddy allowing them to pay only minimal war recuperations, cheap migrant hands from Turkey and Greece, etc).

They also didn't have instability of the kind India faced post-colonialism, since the ex British rulers (as is their standard mode of operation everywhere, from Israel/Palestine to Cyprus/Northern Cyprus etc.) used a divide and conquer tactic, playing Indian, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc one against the other.

And of course it's not just the starting state (Germany being bombed, India being poor) but also things like human capital, etc. Germany, post WWII, had far more educated people, industrial experience and infrastructure (as a percentage) compared to India.

As for East Germany, it was depended on USSR which didn't have the same kind of economic resources as the US, nor did other communist countries it mostly traded with.

>All Indians do is give excuses for why India was poor

Yes, those lazy Indians, always up to no good. There are no historical reasons, just lazy, ignorant, people.

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[sremani]

This year India will be celebrating 70th Independence day, it is not infant democracy as it was in 60s or 70s, but it is about damn time, Indians owned up their own record of self governance and stop blaming the British. The act of blaming Population and British is getting stale and old.

>>Yes, those lazy Indians, always up to no good.

Indians is being used as catch all and you are trying to misrepresent his statement. No one said Indians are lazy, that would be affront to my own family and friends. But Indians need to own up the kind of leadership they have elected and the subsequent results.

[coldtea]

>This year India will be celebrating 70th Independence day, it is not infant democracy as it was in 60s or 70s, but it is about damn time, Indians owned up their own record of self governance and stop blaming the British. The act of blaming Population and British is getting stale and old.

Well, the British never really "left" (controlling politics and influencing the area) until several decades later -- not at the nominal "Independence" day.

>* but it is about damn time, Indians owned up their own record of self governance and stop blaming the British. The act of blaming Population and British is getting stale and old.*

That (doing their best) should happen whether they blame the British or not. The effects of the colonialism shouldn't be an excuse -- just a historical reality that is admitted.