[tossaway1]

It doesn't matter to me who asks first, just the the discussion is had to avoid wasting time if it's likely to be a problem. Sometimes they ask about salary range, sometimes I ask about salary requirements.

Debating whether a disconnect on $$ is a "fit" issue seems kind of silly. If it's not a job they would take because of pay, it's not a good fit for them.

[Riod]

Precision matters. Fit is a poorly used term to basically mean, we don't want you for reason X but don't want to tell you that.

[tossaway1]

Precision matters, but you're just nitpicking based on your interpretation of "fit". I guess you're thinking of it as whether the candidate is "fit" for the position. My use of it was referring to whether it was a fit for what they're looking for (where money is obviously an important factor).

[Riod]

Simple solution. Set up an Ask HN: What does job not being a good fit mean to you. See how many people say it relates to cultural fit vs pay.