[indians_pro]

>but they have a looooooooooooot of work left to do to become anything close to a first-world nation.

ur bias is leaking. being a 'first world' nation (a very arbitrary classification in the first place) is not a necessarily desirable attribute for a country to have. u can keep ur defacto oligarchy, ur mind numbing culture and media, which brainwashes citizens to conform and support foreign wars at enormous expense to human life and effort (through wasted tax money), let us keep our poverty, culture, and sane values...

normally i wouldnt be so forthright and defensive, but the arrogant blindness of the comment really struck me as needing a counter, however unsupported by sources it may be (at this point, the futility and greed behind these wars and the global interference of wester nations, one in particular, is common knowledge).

[pmarreck]

A first-world nation has a highly reliable electrical, water, sewage, garbage collection, road, fuel, transportation, communication, financial, and (now) Internet infrastructure.

These services are, arguably, literally necessary for the country as a whole to grow at (or exceed) a pace equal to a first-world nation.

Last I heard, India (on the whole) was deeply lacking in those areas.

You guys can start with that. ;)

I'm hardly biased, I'm a pretty big fan of India (in fact, one of my best friends is Indian and he is AWESOME!), I just know what needs to be done to succeed in the long term.

[ninguem2]

You forgot health infrastructure for all. By that measure, the US is not a first world country.

[pmarreck]

I would agree that is necessary, sigh

[TraderDuck]

> which brainwashes citizens to conform and support foreign wars at enormous expense to human life and effort

Lol.

Not that I disagree about the americans spending too much on defense, but how can you say this with a straight face while India continually engages in a military dick-swinging contest with Pakistan?

How are things in Kashmir these days?

[indians_pro]

haha. ha ha ha.

a lot of pakistans intelligence services are financed by the cia (seriously, search it) and it is well-documented that the 'militants' coming over the border r paki agents. the dick swinging is over ownership of Kashmir, and no surprises, US-published maps of India do not include Kashmir as part of it. and india is never the aggressor in borded encounters, this is verifiably true.

please i sincerely request u to watch this - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qVHzAinRH4g - to see the sort of propoganda us regularly engages in to dupe the global discourse. it is a very intense 1 hr watch and i daresay ull enjoy it more than many movies. noone has anything against americans themselves. just that their money is going to finance a govt that is increasingly mort aggressive at establishing global domminance, and that too using underhand tactics. please watch it and tell me ur opinion of it. my american friends liked it a lot.

[TraderDuck]

> india is never the aggressor in borded encounters, this is verifiably true.

Wow, and you're accusing the americans of being brainwashed?

A 5 second google search will turn up tons of incidents where India was the aggressor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_India–Pakistan_border_...

And yeah, Pakistan is obviously doing some awful stuff too. But you're not gonna convince anyone sensible that India is completely innocent.

[nsenifty]

> And yeah, Pakistan is obviously doing some awful stuff too. But you're not gonna convince anyone sensible that India is completely innocent.

"some awful stuff" such as three invasions, several incursions by army regulars and by proxy, actively financing and training militant groups that attack India? Are you seriously comparing that with a couple instances of artillery shelling? Pakistan also routinely provides artillery cover fire for militants infiltrating into India.

[TraderDuck]

> a couple instances of artillery shelling

You know it's much more than that right? Read that wikipedia page.

Just based on 10 seconds of skimming through that page: BSF shot and killed a couple of kids, in one instance BSF fire killed a 60 year-old man while he was farming.

Are you seriously giving the BSF a total free pass?

[gaius]

It's "third world" as in "third party", i.e. everyone who wasn't either NATO or Warsaw Pact. First and second worlds were coined later. It doesn't mean "third class", never did.

[sumedh]

> It doesn't mean "third class", never did.

It does now.