[jacques_chester]

> They've already started that with containers. Docker orchestration platforms like Kubernetes and Mesos are still rough around the edges and there is room in the space for VMware to get in and leverage the benefit of their size and engineering bench.

VMWare started doing this circa 2010-11.

Eventually that project turned into the first version of Cloud Foundry.

Edit: forgot my usual disclaimer that I work for Pivotal etc etc

[jeletonskelly]

Let's be honest though, CloudFoundry isn't a cloud. It's deployed onto a cloud provider like AWS and runs your apps on virtual machines inside an EC2 instance. It's useful if you want to abstract away your cloud provider, but it's not a cloud provider in and of itself.

Disclaimer: Currently working with a customer deploying to Cloud Foundry.

[jacques_chester]

It just depends on what you mean by "a cloud".

I usually refer to Cloud Foundry as a PaaS. It sits on top of an IaaS like AWS, OpenStack, Azure or vSphere, managed by BOSH.

[liquidchicken]

I was really thinking about the vSphere integrated container stuff, but yes, that's a good point.