[Wintamute]

> where objectification of men is not even an issue

What about the objectification of men that calls them "warriors" and sends them off to serve their country as tools of the state? To get killed doing that? That sort of objectification isn't an issue? Or we only worry about the case where women have the freedom to pose in front of a camera and get paid for it if they want to?

[true_religion]

I guess you could say that you can opt out of warrior identification fairly easily---just grow old.

No one can really opt out of identification in terms of their beauty. Both men and women face the reality of being judged by their looks, but women bear the brunt of it due to cultural considerations.

In some cultures, as women age they no longer have to deal with being judged as harshly on looks but in the West beauty is a point of interest deeply into a woman's middle-aged life at the least, and even people who are technically the age of grandparents like Hillary Clinton are judged on their looks.

[Wintamute]

Conscription was a reality for men about half a century ago, and could be again during a war. The laws are ready for that. Forced national service is a reality in many countries.