[troncheadle]

> Any argument that goes "But if we switched genders, then it would be fine!" is completely missing the point that we are still living in a de-facto patriarchy, where objectification of men is not even an issue.

Is not an issue to who? Just because women face it more, does not mean that men do not face it. Winner does not take all, everyone just loses.

[JoeAltmaier]

In an Ivory tower, sure. This is the argument used to support the status quo - because any change is not 'perfect' why bother?