[DanielDent]

Who I note basically decided to start from scratch because this docker thing happened. Cloud Foundry has had to do a lot of re-thinking too.

But my impression of openshift is that it's really a work in progress and that they haven't actually gotten it adequately productized yet.

Docker has gotten enough developer buy-in into containerization that I think it's fundamentally changed what it means to do infrastructure, be it PaaS or IaaS or whatever.

[brazzledazzle]

Probably an oversimplification on my part but it seems like OpenShift is nice enterprise friendly features sprinkled on top of Kubernetes. Which is no small thing, they've contributed quite a few patches to Kubernetes that are critical for a lot of enterprises. And a read/write GUI shouldn't be a hard requirement these days but a lot of big companies have this ingrained habit of treating IT like a commodity and subsequently hire people that are so uncomfortable with the CLI they're openly hostile to the idea of even touching it.

Then there's command and control. OpenShift seems to be more friendly to keeping things under someone's thumb. In an ideal world people would use Kubernetes the way Google uses Borg and devs would be trusted the way they are at Google. But between corporate fiefdoms and the aforementioned hiring practices many companies are still very far from that ideal.