[glossyscr]

As the long as the charging is not way faster I do not see mass adoption.

If you're using cars just in the city then charging is no issue but for long distance travel it is one. Only way is to own at least two cars but this can't be the solution.

[forgetsusername]

>If you're using cars just in the city then charging is no issue but for long distance travel it is one.

Yeah, I'm also curious how this pans out. Generally, people traveling long distances on the Tesla SC network route say, "No big deal, I stop for 20 minutes to stretch, charge, and away I go."

But what does that scenario look like when there are millions of EVs on the road? Imagine it took 20 minutes to fill up with fuel? The lines would be horrendous. Travel during prime vacation time and they already are on some routes.

[rhino369]

Presumably the number of quick charge locations will grow if electric cars become normal. They won't be free (even tesla is walking back that free forever promise).

States could let companies lease spots at rest stops.

[mikeash]

Fast charging stations are a lot cheaper to build than gas stations. The answer to your scenario is to build more, which is totally doable.

[xutopia]

This argument again...

The average commute time in 2011 was 25.5 minutes in USA and 24.5 in Canada. In Canada 17.2% of commuters drove more than 45 minutes to get to work. Source: https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-012-x/99-0...

At least for 82.8% of people the commute as well as grocery stop can be handled with a single charge. For many their whole day of driving can be done with a single charge!

Now consider that for the people for who the daily errands are within the sweet spot they never have to waste time to stop anywhere to charge! Their charging station is at home.

[Gracana]

Even if a short-range car would be fine for your daily commute (and you have a second car or some other method for making longer trips), there's another issue to consider: If you have to charge your car every night in order to get to the work in the morning, then you need to be guaranteed a parking spot with a charger, but in densely packed areas where short commutes are common, shitting parking is common as well. That means a lot of places would need to improve their parking situation in addition to providing reliable charging infrastructure, and that's going to take a lot of money and effort.

[stonemetal]

Nothing you said contradicts what he said. Yes, commuting can be handled by an EV, but the three holidays a year when you drive 300 miles to your inlaws means you need a second car, a rental or some other way of handling that.

[ghaff]

Essentially a pure EV auto, while it has lots of positive points, is an auto that can't do everything that a current ICE auto can. There are ways to mitigate that. If an individual or family has multiple vehicles, maybe their usage is such that they're OK with one of those vehicles having a potential range limit. Maybe longer distance needs are sufficiently rare that renting a car for those times isn't unreasonable. An EV probably isn't right for you if you can't charge it at home.

None of that means that there isn't a market for pure EVs. But each limitation makes it less suitable as a truly mass-market vehicle and makes it more likely IMO that various types of hybrid designs will be more popular in the mainstream.

[mikeash]

With sufficient range and a good fast charging infrastructure, this problem is solved today. Teslas make for an awesome road trip car. Those requirements mean that only Tesla currently has it solved, but others will get there.

[bsder]

So? In the US, owning two cars is not at all uncommon.

Making the one you use for your daily commute an EV and the other one a gasoline engine is still a huge improvement in air quality.