[Lawtonfogle]

No, they are fine to like what they want. Just not in our shared air. (P.S. For comparison, when I bring stink bomb spray and spray it where I'm at, people get really offended.)

Honestly, I have no problem with smoking as long as no non-consenting person has to be subjected to the second hand smoke. That includes both people doing their daily business in the public in general (designated smoking areas don't count as you have to active walk there, I'm more talking about people smoking in front of entrances to businesses). That also includes people smoking in their homes when they have underage children. But if it only involves consenting people, then do what you want. (I'm even for legalizing many drugs with the same disclaimers.)

[wfo]

Right, similarly you should object any time someone uses a motor vehicle in your presence. God forbid someone drives a truck and you're within 10 feet. You didn't consent to breathe in those fumes, they shouldn't have the right to spread them around anywhere, even in designated driving areas like roads -- they are near sidewalks, after all.

[Lawtonfogle]

Note that we do have limits on what a motor vehicle can output, those limits are being tightened, and the recent company scandal where a certain company lied about those limits should be punished. Smog is a major issue in some cities and should be dealt with and greater emphasis should be put on electric vehicles.

[psykovsky]

We also have limits on cigarettes emissions, you know?

[GFK_of_xmaspast]

I'm perfectly ok with the feds tightening emissions controls, and severely cracking down on those 'rolling coal' jackasses.

[Ao7bei3s]

One is far, far stronger than the other. One is also usually being done in badly ventilated areas.

[wfo]

Yes, one is far stronger than the other -- one is not only polluting the air you are breathing in at the moment but also destroying the environment and leading to global catastrophe and the other is an annoyance when you walk down the street and god forbid a poor person is in your way.

I'll give you the point about smoking indoors, I didn't even consider it because at least in the US I haven't seen a place where that's even allowed anymore in the last, 10 years?

[Ao7bei3s]

> one is ... destroying the environment and the other is an annoyance

Cars are also much more useful than smoking. (Compare what'd happen if cars were banned with what'd happen if smoking was banned.)

But of course you're right, cars are a problem. At least there are emission limits, and electric cars are being worked on.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to get rid of smoking. These are separate problems, they can be worked on in parallel.

[ArkyBeagle]

The thing I find fascinating is - I have lived long enough to have seen 50% smoking rates, and nobody complained. I don't know if that was something that was suppressed by social convention, or of the massive anti-smoking media campaigns that came later basically created this dissatisfaction.

But the world was in general a lot funkier back then.