Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by mmaunder 3806 days ago
I've played with ketosis. You can verify your body is in a state of ketosis using "keto sticks" that you pee on. They change color and prove that your body is outputting ketones. That's also what causes your breath to smell like something died (my wife's comment).

One of the leading thinkers on this is Tim Noakes who has written some excellent literature on the subject and is a keen runner. He became famous for "Lore of Running" which is a tome of a book but is an excellent primer for any runner serious about nutrition and metabolic processes.

Noakes has more recently joined the low carb/low GI movement and has some pretty radical thinking in the area.

I would also echo some other commenters here that Ketosis is IMHO not a healthy state and can have quite far reaching health consequences. One of the by products of ketosis is acetone which is what makes your breath smell - so there are some fairly radical changes in your body's chemical functioning as it goes into starvation and survival mode.

I tend to gravitate away from radical experiments like this and more towards what the leading edge professional athletes are doing, minus the steroids. They have plenty of motivation to innovate in the field in a sustainable way.

3 comments

So, I played with ketosis and lost. 7 years ago I weighed 260lbs, having converted a once fit and muscular physique into lard with the help of my desk and startup. I decided to do something about this, and to simultaneously run an experiment to determine my general metabolic rate and baseline nutritional requirements.

To do this, I stuck myself on a fixed daily 700kcal diet, ran 15km a day, and got on with life as usual. I measured blood sugar, weight, fat mass, resting pulse, b.p.

Needless to say, I lost weight, fast, and was down to 180 by the time I ended the experiment, four months later. 80% of the mass I lost was fat, 20% muscle, my sleep apnoea was cured, and I felt good about myself for the first time in years.

I also got some beautiful graphs out of it. By keeping the inputs all constant, I could see my weight shifting along a curve as my metabolic requirements shrank as I dropped mass, I could see blood pressure and glucose moving in curves beautifully correlated with my fat mass. To that end, everything went as planned.

About six months after this, I started being sick. I'd spend days puking and delirious, and would then be fine for months, or weeks - came and went at random. Several years of baffled doctors later, I diagnosed myself with gall stones, got an ultrasound, confirmed my hypothesis, and had my gall bladder removed last year. Turns out that having a prolonged low calorie diet pissed my duodenum and gall bladder off mightily, and they grew a huge cluster of stones in short order. I'm seemingly fine now, after five years of misery.

Long story short, you're not actually invincible, don't learn this the hard way like I did.

Sounds like you played with starvation and lost.

Ketosis does not require or imply a severe caloric deficit. It requires a very low carbohydrate intake, but you can eat a maintenance level of calories and be in ketosis.

None of the standard guidance (e.g. [1]) for a weight loss program using a ketogenic diet advocates such a severe deficit. Presuming you're a male of average height, 700 kcal is about a 75% deficit. By all appearances, that was the source of your troubles, not keto per se.

I'm glad you recovered all right!

[1] http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/

>I would also echo some other commenters here that Ketosis is IMHO not a healthy state and can have quite far reaching health consequences.

Are you a doctor? Are you qualified in any way to be giving health recommendations?

No? Parroting the crowd doesn't help people. Especially people with insulin sensitivities that could absolutely be helped by a low carbohydrate diet.[0]

0: [pdf link] http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/335/art%253A10.1186%...

> so there are some fairly radical changes in your body's chemical functioning as it goes into starvation and survival mode.

Ketosis is not a "starvation mode", it's just one of the normal ways your body provides energy. During most of human history people didn't have plenty of carbs available all day long, so ketosis was most likely the normal state and not an exception.

"Starvation mode" because of eating less is generally just a myth and an excuse for people why their diet failed.