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by iheartmemcache 3810 days ago
This is a really broad question, about on par with asking "which fashion houses are putting out daring material and what will Dior be making that's popular 30 years from now". Software is just like any other cargo-cult industry where trends rise and fall almost like clockwork. From Rails, to Angular, to React.

RE: People/Groups who are researching 'new approaches to programming' - you have the typical universities putting out papers. Conferences like POPL and ICFP tend to be where most of the major academic work gets put out. From within the industry, commercial entities aren't really doing much, bar Microsoft Research, Cambridge (UK, not MA). They're really pushing the envelope with regards to strict PL research. www.rise4fun.com to see the dozens of projects they're putting out. Oracle, too, is surprisingly doing some interesting work.

30 years is a hard guess, but 5 years you'll certainly see: 1) a lot more emphasis on concurrency, at 14nm we're rapidly approaching the physical limitation of transistor density (which is why you're seeing 18 core Xeons). Sharing memory is notoriously hard, so the move towards immutability (whether it's pass by ref const in 'traditional' languages like C++ or more esoteric languages like Haskell, that's the direction it's going in, whether by using the actor model, STM, etc) 2) Especially with Intel's Knight's Landing. RDMA has been around for ages, but bringing it to Xeon means the common-man doesn't have to pay Infiniband prices for HBAs. RAM has been getting cheaper but imagine being able to just deck out a 42u filled to the brim with ~18 2u's of half a TB of DDR4 RDIMM a piece that your main application can access. 3) Disks, which used to be a huge thrashing bottleneck (who here is old enough to remember thrashing on GCC 2.95 when trying to compile E17?), are now posting amazing numbers, even for SSDs.

Effectively every level of computing that used to be a barrier (minus SRAM and the CPU caches which seem to have been stuck at the same spot for a while in terms of capacity) has, or will within 6 months be consumer accessible. I couldn't guess what's going to happen in 5 years. I can't even guess what's going to happen in 5 months and I've been at this nearly 20 years.

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I think you may have lost the forest for the trees. For as broad of a question as this, the different web frameworks you listed are all just that - web frameworks. That is just one area of programming, and the differences between each framework are trivial in a multi-decade view of things.

What is more interesting is your points towards hardware limitations, and that seems like more of an area in which such a question would have meaning. I tend to think less about what we will code, and more about where that code will run, and how low/high level it will be -- Will we still be coding to browsers in 30 years? Will firmware still be a black box for most people, or will your average joe start to play in that realm? Will coding be a specialty, or will it be as pervasive as knowing how to read and write? If everyone on the planet could at least code to a basic level, and all devices had at least a minimal API to configure, what will that even look like? Will Legos have embedded code, so 4 year olds can assemble blocks and do robotics instead of just static toys?

I have no idea on any of those answers... but those are examples of the kinds of questions we should be looking at, not whether React or Angular will have more longevity, because frankly, in 30 years, very little of what we are doing today is going to have any relevance.

One interesting prophecy I read recently is that the emergence and widespread availability of NVRAM (non-volatile RAM) could shift the bottleneck in most web applications from the disk to the CPU. One implication of this is that the relative inefficiency of current high-level web programming languages could see a shift toward more efficient languages (e.g. Rust?).
> From Rails, to Angular, to React.

That's where you lost me. ;)

(It's sort of like a physicist claiming force, mass and momentum to be the hottest new research areas for the coming 30 years...)

> force, mass and momentum

sounds like you think pretty highly of Rails, Angular and React.

Don't forget the ether! I hear the ether is posed to make a comeback, big time!!
He might mean MVC by Rails which is a widely used paradigm in Web Development (Django, Laravel, etc.) And two-way bindings for a frontend framework as brought along by Angular or the concept of using a Virtual DOM to improve DOM performance as pioneered by React.

There are maybe tons more but each of these did have a massive impact in their respective communities.

In hardware, a bit of the opposite is happening: big companies are paying Intel, AMD, Cavium, etc more money for semi-custom SOC's that combine multi-core CPU's and HW accelerators. There's also more uptake of FPGA hardware, which necessitates new programming paradigms and tools for SW types. And nobody working at this level uses Rails or whatever lol. They actually want to use the hardware they buy.