[moonchrome]

> As white dudes we don't see race or gender, because we aren't made to see it in our daily lives.

Speak for yourself. I've worked in print and manufacturing before starting programming - I've seen factory workers disregard female supervisor orders and regularly fake the tasks, commenting on her "lack of sex", "hormones", even to their face and regularly behind their back etc. At the same time they would shut up and do their shit when told the same thing by a male super. I've seen old department manager lead print finish section with a bunch of women in low skill/paying roles literally talk to them like they are his lessers and he was actively hostile and attempted to sabotage a woman who got hired as an engineer (which outranks him in terms of skill).

I've seen real sexism, and I've also seen discrimination based on nationality where it actually impacts people every day jobs and hiring/firing/promotions.

Calling the things I see described as examples of sexism and racism and what I've personally seen on job is a joke compared to what women and foreigners had to go through in low skilled industries with more uneducated and older people.

Programmers like you live in a bubble - I see people like you complain about culture/wages/work conditions in tech industry without having any grasp on what the world looks like outside of tech. I've met guys who work with electricity or work on highly dangerous positions where their life is at risk at any moment and your first mistake could very well be your last, people working in hazardous environments that 100% take a physical tool on you (eg. high probability you will end up with cancer and the likes) - and even with 20+ years of experience at the same job they were making about the same what I was getting when I started coding and my pay only grew since then. I earned more than a person who went through med school and if I fucked up nobody died or got disabled. Programmers have it super good right now and the industry is filled with highly educated smart people