[gnaritas]

> "that's why you need to take the market out of it and have single payer." It's a consistent argument only if you believe that you'd be better off with single payer.

No, it's a consistent argument for those who think beyond themselves; it's good for society as a whole. One doesn't have to believe one personally benefits, that's now how liberals work.

> A good market would be one where you paid your doctor

A good market for healthcare is one where it isn't a market, but a social good provided to everyone, like other civilized countries do. The market is not the correct answer to every question of how to distribute goods and services.

[novalis78]

other "socialist" civilized countries, you know, like the ones that regularly innovate and push the boundaries of science and attract millions of people each year because of a higher standard of living and less taxes. oh, wait... The "market" is just a synonym for individuals co-operating together for their mutual benefit. The "public" option is one where a faceless bureaucracy with a monopoly on power steps in and dictates terms. Disclaimer: I have lived decades with a single payer system and left in part because of it.

[gnaritas]

> like the ones that regularly innovate and push the boundaries of science and attract millions of people each year because of a higher standard of living and less taxes. oh, wait...

Propaganda Americans seem always believe, as if the rest of the world were a third world country. The Nordic countries top the world standard of living, America, not so much. Quality of life, the U.S. doesn't even break the top 10. The U.S. isn't a shining city on a hill, it's a waning rotten empire slowly sinking back into 3rd world status for its average citizen.

> The "market" is just a synonym for individuals co-operating together for their mutual benefit.

That's a nice theory, it's just not true in the real world.

> I have lived decades with a single payer system and left in part because of it.

And which country would that be?

[popmystack]

>I have lived decades with a single payer system and left in part because of it.

No you didn't.

[sageikosa]

No, but it is the only answer to how much those services cost, which is a necessary question to answer if you intend to apply accounting to resource allocation and consumption.

[gnaritas]

> but it is the only answer to how much those services cost

No it isn't; and that which can be asserted without evidence, can be refuted without it as well.

[sageikosa]

You assertion assumes ignorance as a starting point.

Be enlightened: http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Price

[gnaritas]

The Austrian school, no thanks, that school of thought hasn't been mainstream since the 30's, for good reason; it's wrong. Here, you be enlightened and catch up to the modern world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_economics