[firstworldman]

> I can't think of anyone who participates in nightlife successfully who doesn't at least get a little buzzed when out.

This is a very strange and unqualified statement. I know a couple dozen very successful nightlife personalities/DJs/promoters who are sober... Not exactly sure what you mean by successful -- as in make it through the night? Cope with hanging out with zonked morons? Hook up with someone?

I'm not sober, personally, but I really admire people who manage to make the changes they need to make, particularly if they're involved in nightlife by necessity. It seems unusual if you go out a lot and don't know anyone by that description.

[prawn]

How is it unqualified if they are talking about people they know? And likely excluding people on the job at nightclubs.

[firstworldman]

I guess you can draw sweeping conclusions from your own narrow social base, but it doesn't seem like a reliable point of view from which to make generalities. By implication the comment seems to say that it's not possible to have a good time out sober, which could discourage someone from making a change they might need but feel apprehensive about making. I'm providing an optimistic counterpoint.