[SignMeTheHELLUp]

> SignMeTheHELLUp is complaining about Waterline ORM, but I'd argue that Hibernate is worse

Are you serious. Hibernate and all it's language-specific variants are actual feature-complete ORMs. Waterline falls flat as soon as you get past eager-fetching a child property. It's a toy.

I wasn't just complaining about Waterline either. Every time I had issues with Sails I had to dip into the Sails source and patch bugs out, eventually I replaced parts of Sails with libraries that actually worked. By the end of the project the only "Sails" left was the routing component...

Edit: Of the two sites you linked to, one is a splash page and the other is an aggregator that loads slowly. Neither are real-world LOB applications with complex logic underneath them.

I can write solid code on Node the same way I can on any PHP framework, but I'm experienced enough to know to look elsewhere when my requirements are complex.

[rargulati]

> Every time I had issues with Sails I had to dip into the Sails source and patch bugs out, eventually I replaced parts of Sails with libraries that actually worked. By the end of the project the only "Sails" left was the routing component...

Would love to hear more about this - if time permits, would be a great write-up.

[dvt]

I have a feeling it's just nonsense. There's not much to re-write to begin with. Sails.js is a thin-ish layer on top of express that uses grunt to tie everything together. Waterline is the biggest component, but it's not even technically part of Sails.js proper.

[dvt]

I linked to toy projects, I never claimed otherwise. Some people, however, use Sails.js for real business solutions.

> I wasn't just complaining about Waterline either. Every time I had issues with Sails I had to dip into the Sails source and patch bugs out, eventually I replaced parts of Sails with libraries that actually worked.

I don't even know what this means. Sails is basically just a router on top of express with grunt tying everything together. What part of sails did you have to "replace"? The i18n? Let's not be dramatic here.

But then again, your post about staying away from Node just showed how unhinged you are. I'm no language zealot, but that's just ignorant to say when world-class companies are using Node on incredible scales.