| >It's when you don't have good arguments nor is well read you have to resort to this type of name calling. You called me ignorant directly and you started it. "Ignorant" is a highly charged word that will ignite hostility. Do you start debates with that word in real life? Perhaps if you had experience with "copyright debate" you'd know that things won't end well when you start something with that word. Maybe you're just too ignorant to realize that. I never directly called you anything. Besides, there's a difference between fact-calling and name-calling in which case what I'm doing is more closer to the former. >You clearly don't have much experience with debating copyright I'm not talking about copyright. I started the topic and that topic dictates the terms of this debate. The topic was a sarcastic example about piracy and theft in terms of supply, demand and value. It was not at all about copyright law. When you talk about human law you deal with controversial topics like whether a pattern of sound needs to be copyrighted or whether a recipe needs to be copyrighted. I'm not dealing with any of those ambiguities. I am dealing with what happens in economics when you pirate something. What happens when you pirate money and what happens when you pirate software. I am not talking about written law. >My arguments are absolutely based in the current discourse. Possibly based on discourse but not based on reality and therefore off topic. >If someone copy something they would never have bought the economic damage to the author is theoretically zero. What dream world do you live in where you think this is all that happens with piracy? Many people also copy things that they would have bought in the first place. >A digital product already has infinite supply. And as such, the product is usually worthless unless distribution/supply is artificially restricted (Netflix, DRM, etc.) > Copyright doesn't even deal with "increasing supply" as a intrinsic thing. Who cares? Increasing supply is a part of reality, and that is what I'm talking about. >If you spend year creating recipes for a restaurant that become successful and someone opens a restaurant next door serving the same things (and thereby increasing supply) the original restaurant has little to no copyright claim Why are their secret recipes? Why do people hide these things? Because restricting supply increases VALUE. Copyright law is an issue that is separate from this phenomenon. |
I didn't call you ignorant, so much as your argument that involved currency and north korea. But I realize it's a fine line and should have used a different word. Not that you are taking the high road here either.
"The topic was a sarcastic example about piracy and theft in terms of supply, demand and value. It was not at all about copyright law."
How is piracy and "theft" not about copyright law? If you're not breaking copyright law it's not piracy.
"Possibly based on discourse but not based on reality and therefore off topic"
I obviously don't think so. My kind of arguments are the ones being discussed at conferences, in books, documentaries and papers.
"What dream world do you live in where you think this is all that happens with piracy? Many people also copy things that they would have bought in the first place."
There's a reason I used the word "theoretically". Still a 14 year old is seldom going to buy a $4000 program and companies sometimes recognizes these scenarios. Microsoft did in China for instance.
"Who cares? Increasing supply is a part of reality, and that is what I'm talking about."
I don't see how increasing supply in general is relevant. If I seed some flowers I'm increasing the supply of flowers, but few people would see that as a negative thing. If there were no copyright, like in (to some extent) fashion or cooking, copying would be part of reality and there would be little point to compare it to copying currency.