[robotkilla]

I'd like to preface this response by making it clear that I personally avoid eating animals that were raised on antibiotics, however the argument that the onus must be placed on the individual is absolutely ridiculous.

Even though this is a "hot button topic", I don't think eating meat that you can afford (IE antibiotic raised meat) can possibly be compared to race or gender inequalities.

Eating a factory cheeseburger is akin to racism? Seriously? This is a logic fallacy.

Racism comes from the individual. It stems from stupidity and hatred and is directed against people who don't have the same nationality or skin color as you. Eating an antibiotic laden slab of beef due to lack of finances cannot possibly be placed on the same level as this.

I'll also point out that the only way to real change in gender and race inequalities have come about is through government or self-regulation in industries... the same thing I'm arguing for when it comes to the agricultural industry.

Go ahead and switch to all natural blah blah blah... you can now sleep at night knowing you're no longer part of the problem. But when you wake up in the morning, the problem is still there. You have accomplished nothing. But hey, when the world burns at least you can say "I told you so".

[jMyles]

> Eating a factory cheeseburger is akin to racism? Seriously? This is a logic fallacy.

Do you realize that there are several religions that hold this exact tenet? And that it's one of the central tenets of Rastafari?

Maybe these people all live their lives based on a logical fallacy, but I don't think it's so far wrong. Both racism and factory farming come down to disrespect for 'the other.'

> Racism comes from the individual.

Most people who study racism regard it as an institution, separate but related to bigotry, which is a quality of an individual.

> I'll also point out that the only way to real change in gender and race inequalities have come about is through government or self-regulation in industries... the same thing I'm arguing for when it comes to the agricultural industry.

Go propose a talk at any Black Studies department in the country with this as your thesis and let us know how it goes.

[robotkilla]

> Do you realize that there are several religions that hold this exact tenet? And that it's one of the central tenets of Rastafari?

A central tenet of rastafari is to abstain from antibiotic raised meat? Can you cite a source on this?

Even if this is true, why do you think that the religious beliefs of this or other religions holds any sort of sway over people who are not in those religions? For example, you do realize that it is a core religious tenet of the Westboro Baptist Church and many other Christian religions that homosexuals will burn in hell, but this doesn't mean it is true... in fact most educated people would argue that hell doesn't even exist.

> Maybe these people all live their lives based on a logical fallacy, but I don't think it's so far wrong

We'll have to agree to disagree on this point then.

> Go propose a talk at any Black Studies department in the country with this as your thesis and let us know how it goes.

So the progress we've made in the United States through laws and regulations regarding race and gender is a lie then? Those laws exist because of special interest groups, protesters etc. sure -- but you do realize that laws surrounding these issues exist now that didn't exist before, don't you?

This is a very foolish argument and I have no more to say on the matter.

[gugagore]

> So the progress we've made in the United States through laws and regulations regarding race and gender is a lie then?

It's a very misleading sort of progress. It helps many people believe that we're post-racial and that sexism doesn't happen.

[robotkilla]

What on earth would be a less misleading progress? This comment seems to imply that separate but equal is a better solution.

I think that many people have confused "changing minds and hearts" with "forcing the public to accept and integrate". The laws and regulations I'm referring to are about enforcing rights, often times basic human ones.