[the_mitsuhiko]

> I'd point to Gulp and Rails' latest as a sign that there's more work to do here.

If you want to throw them into the same category, then sure, there is different stuff happening. But Gulp is even further away from something non programmers can use.

[davepeck]

I definitely do see gulp et. al. as belonging to the same category of tools, although they're much more general-purpose. I think that's where I map the terrain differently than you. I do so because I'm hopeful that future innovations there will find their way back to tools like Lektor, etc.

(And completely agree on the programmer-centric nature of these tools.)