[the-dude]

> I feel like I fully have the right to watch you as you repair my plumbing.

If you are present: yes.

I just realized the fight against surveillance is not particular with the NSA/GHQC and or the government.

It will be a fight within.

[viraptor]

I feel like this is a completely different area though. Would you ever rent services from someone saying: "I'll do the work in your house, but you can't look" ? I get the general idea of "I don't waive my right for privacy when I enter someone's house", but for work I just don't see any use case.

If I can't see what you're doing in my house, you're not working in my house. What's the reason I'd ever want/need the opposite?

[apricot]

> Would you ever rent services from someone saying: "I'll do the work in your house, but you can't look"?

For a second there, I thought I was in another proprietary software vs. free software thread...

[cillian64]

It's awfully easy to forget how one's circles aren't representative of most people. I think the general public are a lot more worried about terrorism and whatnot than they are about surveillance. Bashing the surveillance services is not a vote-winner.