[coldtea]

>E.g. if you have a good language without a community, community can eventually grow, but you can use the language anyway. If you have a bad language with great community - it doesn't reduce your suffering from the language itself.

My experience has been the inverse.

I'd rather use a bad, or usually mediocre language WITH community, tooling, libs, books, programmers etc, than a better one where I'll be burdened by the lack of all of these.

So, in a sense, community tramps inherent language qualities.

After all that's the very basic message from Lisp and Smalltalk.