[Xophmeister]

> and the main thing preventing change may simply be inertia.

And pride. I've noticed the Chinese are quick to defend their writing system, despite its lack of "efficiency". Which is understandable: it is a thing of great beauty, with thousands of years of cultural heritage.

[swang]

Which "Chinese"? Your point seems to miss where the pride lays.

There is a lot infighting since the Communist in the 50s/60s decided to create simplified Chinese. Traditionalists would argue that simplified Chinese writing is not as elegant/pretty as traditional (I agree, although I have a bias as I grew up in a country that kept traditional Chinese) but the dominance of China has forced almost every other place in the world that writes in Chinese to use simplified. This includes Japan, which I believe a large majority of their signs are written in simplified version of kanji.

And this spills over into the U.S. where the Chinese who have lived here (which would consist mostly of Hong Kong and Taiwanese) are now fighting (or have fought) the recently immigrated Chinese from China over which system to use in U.S. schools.

So there is a lot of pride, but maybe not in the way you believe.

[amake]

> This includes Japan, which I believe a large majority of their signs are written in simplified version of kanji.

Japanese simplification has some overlap with Chinese, but overall they are not the same, and the simplification was definitely not "forced" on Japan by China.

[desdiv]

To add to that, China's simplification process happened during the 50s and 60s, back when China was deeply impoverished, had massive famines thanks to the Great Leap Forward[0], and had basically zero international influence (didn't even have a UN seat). They weren't in a position to influence Japan in any way. Not to mention that Japan was in the opposite camp during the Cold War.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

[swang]

I mean what you're saying is correct, but I never said China instantly switched everyone over to simplified once China decided in the 50s/60s.

I am saying the superpower it has since become has "forced" most other countries to defer to using simplified rather than traditional.

[swang]

After looking this up, yeah you are right. I just assumed there was a conversion of Traditional->Simplified for the most part because I had noticed earlier in my life that most of the written forms of kanji (I saw) were written in traditional form and only towards the past decade or so have I noticed that there were more characters that looked "simplified"

[mazerackham]

Lol, I wouldn't call it out as pride. There might simply be no reason to change. Ideas have been expressed in the written language for thousands of years, and I believe that it's probably as efficient as English. Very different, but similar levels of efficiency. Would it be "pride" if Chinese people questioned why English was full of inconsistencies and why don't they just change those aspects of the language?

At the same time, English is a required subject in Chinese, and hopefully as that improves, people here will get the pros (and cons) of both systems.