[jasoncwarner]

That is a crazy statement! I can understand not liking Java (same boat here), but the JVM and Java are two completely distinct things!

Languages like JRuby and Clojure, which are fantastic languages, have near zero to do with Java. In fact, you can do most everything you want to do and NEVER touch java code. You can, however, access the Java libraries if you so choose (hence the power of working within the JVM).

Not liking Java should never be thought of as not liking the JVM.

[rdtsc]

I agree. The best thing about Java was the library ("One library to rule them all..."). The language was so, so, mainly a better C++ + GC. I never liked it, but Swing, threading, BigInteger, AWT, man! coming from C++ it was a boon.

The next thing I moved to Python, there I found the library and the language fun to use.

Now I am starting to look back at JVM because of Scala and Clojure.

[ThinkWriteMute]

I think you've convinced me. Hmmmmm...

[Andys]

What if the JVM was one of the reasons you didn't like Java?

[hga]

Wait a while; Rich has started thinking about the rewrite of the Clojure compiler in Clojure and that will provide a great foundation for other back ends (LLVM looks tasty).