[hardwaresofton]

Thanks for clarifying.

I made the comment because I find that startups (or the recent brand of startups with crazy valuations and relatively cheap operating costs) are the ones that push 80K/90K+ salaries (at the very least) for people straight out of college and nice office perks.

A few years ago (and probably still now), people could get hired by big companies like HP/Dell/Intel/Oracle (or other big companies whose main competency isn't necessarily computing) with relatively low salaries (lets say 60K or 70K). This only really applies to recent grads/relatively young developers though, I guess.

I see now that I had it backwards.