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by nkrisc 3846 days ago
As a Chicagoan I'm excited, but also worried it will lead to the incarceration of multiple public officials and a raw deal for the city, somehow.
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Don't forget the new "fiber internet tax" they'll come up with to subsidize the losses of their buddies over at Comcast.
As a resident of Chicago, I thought the exact same thing. They will either have to pay off the right alderman or they will never get this built in under 5 years. Sometimes this city embarrasses me, while at other times, I'm really proud of the work the DoIT has done in Chicago. The data they are making available is great, if only they could modernize the rest of our city services...
Yeah, in some regards I'm being awfully cynical. As you said, there are also good things the city has done. You can even view the location of every snowplow in the city in real time; pretty cool when you're waiting for your one-way side street to be plowed.
People will think you're joking, but it's the first thing I thought, too. My parents live in Chicago, and they just roll their eyes about all the way people seem to steal from the city.
Ex-Chicagoan here. This is absolutely, positively not a joke. I can probably come up with a half dozen schemes that would use the fiber build-out as a thinly-veiled excuse to bleed both Google and city residents.

Let's try.

1. All network providers would be allowed to charge a new "infrastructure maintenance fee" to their customers. A fixed $2, plus 40% of the amount of the fee, would go to the city per customer-month. Most of the amount collected would go to a maintenance contractor chosen through a "competitive" bidding process.

2. Public schools, municipal offices, police stations, fire stations, and public libraries would be required to buy network access through a single company, who would also manage their public wi-fi access points. That company could strongarm the providers into selling at a discount, due to its size, yet would charge the municipal customers a grossly inflated price. The wi-fi service sucks for everyone.

3. All fiber work done on city or RTA property must be done by union members, CWA or IBEW, according to their local worksite rules.

4. An alderman stalls the fiber authorization measure in committee until receiving sufficient "lobbying" to move it along.

5. Google required to lay far more dark fibers than strictly necessary. Unknown parties light some up for their own uses, without paying.

6. Google required to give CPD special access to network, supposedly in order to combat CP and terr'ism. Special access instead used to run untraceable server to sell items out of the evidence lockups.

I'm a little upset that this all sounds entirely plausible.
Speaking of dark fiber in Chicago, I suspect the city owns a lot of it. Their surveillance network includes several hundred miles of fiber.
Most of those aren't even mututally exclusive.
Stop giving them ideas!! ;)
You're kidding, right? Those are all inspired by actual things Chicago has done.
What's the inspiration for 6? I know it's a running joke that evidence goes missing, but I don't think I've ever seen a news article about a specific instance in Chicago.
Never seen one? I'll fix that for you.

https://www.google.com/search?q=chicago+cop+arrested+for+ste...

This, of course, does not even address the evidence that never even makes it into the lockup. Drug dealer keeps $20000 in cash at home. Raid seizes the $15000. Forfeiture suit filed against the $10000. The $5000 cannot be located in evidence a few months later.

Fellow Chicagoan here,

Google is going to have to grease quite a few palms to make this happen, if it ever does.

Politicians here have perpetuated the AT&T and Comcast duopoly for quite awhile, and I have no doubt that they are well compensated to do so.

For a new player to come into town who will raise quality of service and lower prices in a way that will force Comcast and AT&T to do the same in order to compete (resulting in lower profits and a lower payola budget) is not going to endear Google to anybody with an established interest in the status quo.

Learn to embrace your inner Schadenfreude.

I almost commented to the effect of, "Go, Google. Even though in general I might prefer a municipal deployment/solution."

I might... in other environments. In Chicago... Well, at least Illinois seems to be in the process of getting away from treating filming public officials as a felony offense. So, when the Fiber team captures all the indirect language and outstretched palms, maybe they will actually have the advantage.

I make this comment with mixed feelings and thoughts. I DON'T like a lot of the outsourcing and privatization as a means for a connected someone to middleman the revenue stream as well as perhaps dump on the actual workers (although sometimes, those workers have been making a killing).

But the City's done little to take on consumer abuse by AT&T, Comcast, etc. I don't see a source for a genuine and effective municipal effort.

So... let overwhelming consumer pressure force Google Fiber onto the poles, and let 'er rip. Google's bread is buttered elsewhere, giving more hope for a relatively clean and effective deployment.

P.S. There is also the business aspect to Fiber. Let businesses -- generally a bit more organized and consistently communicative -- in search/need of a better ISP get behind this, and maybe it will really take off.

Assuming Google doesn't start to flake in its support, as it has with many other "real world" products. One particular concern I would have in considering their viability.

At least you can get shit built in Chicago by paying people off. In places like Baltimore, you're just not allowed to build anything.
Similar in Seattle. Good luck getting Google Fiber here.
Uhh Seattle has fiber offerings already though? For example http://gowaveg.com/
That used to be called Condo Internet and that is in very select buildings. Even out in Redmond, minutes away from MSFT campus, once can only get either Comcast or crappy 3mbit DSL from Frontier.
Comcast is offering fiber in some places and there is a another fiber company south downtown near the stadiums. Point is offerings exist.
Maybe not Google Fiber, but CenturyLink has me scheduled for gigabit fiber installation next month. North Seattle resident.
> worried it will lead to the incarceration of multiple public officials

Would that be a bad thing? I'm in New York, and I'll dance in the street if (when?) Preet Bharara charges Cuomo.

It doesn't really change anything in Chicago. While it might be nice to get some individual corrupt official(s) where they belong, Chicago as a whole shows no evidence that it's becoming less corrupt.
I think it is significantly less corrupt than under Daleys. You are confusing levels and changes. It is still very corrupt, just less so
> incarceration of multiple public officials and a raw deal for the city.

What? How?

http://pols.uic.edu/political-science/chicago-politics

> The Windy City has kept its crown as the most corrupt major city in the country over the last 40 years. But Houston is starting to give Chicago a run for its money.

> According to new research released today by University of Illinois at Chicago political science professor Dick Simpson, there were 45 convictions for public corruption in 2013 (the latest year available) in the U.S. court district that covers the Chicago area. That's way, way above the 19 convictions in Los Angeles and 13 in the Southern District of New York (Manhattan). But Houston had far and away the most pols convicted on federal corruption charges in 2013, with 83.

Chicago has a habit of not even negotiating good terms, while turning over public infrastructure to private enterprise in 99 year leases. A short term cash fix comes at the expense of bleeding citizens for the next 5 generations or so. The Skyway. The parking garages. The parking meters.

Traffic law enforcement going to faulty and corrupt traffic camera companies, based/excused upon arguments that are suspect at best. E.g. red light cameras, particularly but not only with the yellow cycles reduce to or below the legal minimum time apparently solely to increase the number of infractions, leading to increased occurrences of accidents and particularly of more dangerous accidents.

And that's not even getting into the decades of "The Machine" that politicized and monetized anything with a pocket to shake a nickle out of.

Chicago has upsides. Per my first line (in my other comment here, I guess), some even find the politics to be so: As long as you enjoy it as a contact sport.

ironically, the current mayor got a big commission check from the banks for facilitating some of those bad deals.
so the more convictions, the more corrupt?
There will be plenty more not getting caught
Where there's smoke, there's fire.
I'm from Chicago. You gotta live here to understand.
I'm from chicago too, so I guess I do understand by that logic.

I'm not even sure what we're arguing about, in fact

> I'm not even sure what we're arguing about, in fact

Neighborhoods?

You are both "from Chicago"? Meaning, the city itself or the suburbs. Big difference. The suburbs are not Chicago.
This year one of them was released, but up until then, IL was the only state in the US to have 3 previous governors serving prison time for corruption. Yeah... it really is that bad. However, most all of the corruption happens where the money is... in the City of Chicago / Cook County.
Chicago mayors have a bad track record too.
While some more recent examples have not yet ended in jail time for city officials [1][2] they have ended up in pretty bad deals for the city.

[1]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-parking... [2]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/watchdog/redlight/ct-chic...

Chicago has a talent for it.
The short-lived TV series Boss would tell you about the Chicago climate. Since I don't have first hand experience living in Chicago, I cannot compare Chicago to NYC, but from the sound of comments and the TV series, Chicago seems to be pretty notorious.
it will also lead, hopefully, to less grainy videos of cops shooting fleeing suspects in the back.