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by KirinDave 3847 days ago
Meanwhile, Tim Cook said publicly and more recently: http://www.macrumors.com/2015/11/09/tim-cook-ipad-pro-can-re...

"Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones."

So I guess maybe we should ask Tim Cook how he really feels? Maybe you should go and write increasingly smug and demeaning hacker news posts at him. I'm sure he'll be as intimidated as I am.

> "“From the ergonomic standpoint we have studied this pretty extensively and we believe that on a desktop scenario where you have a fixed keyboard, having to reach up to do touch interfaces is uncomfortable,” says Schiller.

Just an aside: what a load of absolute horseshit. Just another example of how relentlessly people fall in line with the Apple party line on experience even as experts in UX and UI say, "They are doing nearly everything wrong."

I reach up from a keyboard to a touch surface every day, and it was a revelation when I finally could. You need it maybe once an hour, but the precision of scaling and translation gestures is far greater and the operation way more natural with your hand.

So Phil's statement is either garbage or terribly dated, and independent testing bears that out. But whatever. You're saying that Apple doesn't believe the iPad Touch is a laptop replacement.

> You're unable to develop software using OS X.

No. That's not true. I just prefer not to. The SDK's first substantial change since the days of OpenSTEP was the modernizations brought on by Swift, which themselves feel dated and poorly thought out. Sadly, we don't get many other choices that can match the native look and feel. Its dated and platform locked and Apple's made sure it can't pay out well except in a few categories.

But hey, what do I know. It's not like I've been in charge of shipping successful, highly featured and widely acclaimed iOS apps... What do I know?

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Tim Cook's comments about people using iPad Pros where they might have used notebooks before have precisely zero to do with either UI convergence or the long-term prospects for OS X.

> Just an aside: what a load of absolute horseshit. Just another example of how relentlessly people fall in line with the Apple party line on experience even as experts in UX and UI say, "They are doing nearly everything wrong."

So are you saying that they're lying about having done ergonomic research? Also, just like your "indications" comment, this is utterly unsubstantiated. Which experts? What research have they done?

> I reach up from a keyboard to a touch surface every day, and it was a revelation when I finally could.

How could that possibly be comfortable, if your display is at the recommended 25ish inch distance from your eyes and at eye level? Did you notice we're talking about "on a desktop scenario" and not a notebook?

> It's not like I've been in charge of shipping successful, highly featured and widely acclaimed iOS apps... What do I know?

Certainly not Apple's long-term plans for OS X.

If Tim Cook's comments I sourced about how iPad Pros can be a laptop replacement are not relevant to my original post, but your lifting of his quotes on the same subject are? Why was Schiller's unsubstantiated quotes about ergonomics relevant?

The rules you have set up for this debate are pretty one sided. Shouldn't you at least pretend to listen?

The comments I quoted were directly related to "UI convergence," which was featured among your bogus "indications."

Assessing the relative value of iPad Pro vs. a notebook to different market segments is not related to UI convergence at all.

The rules are simple: claims should be substantiated. I have refuted some of your claims with direct on-topic quotes from Apple execs. All you've tried is insinuation, complaint, and appeal to authority (nameless "experts," and yourself, comically enough).