[Asbostos]

It's OK to argue. That's how we learn to see different viewpoints, rather than pretending to agree for sake of making everyone happy.

I see you're talking about what I would call culture or customs, rather than the broader range of qualities that stereotypes can include - things that might (if they were true) apply to those same groups across different cultures.

There's a kind of moral leap people are making if they say "Men have a harder time controlling their sexual urges, therefore it's OK for men to objectify women." You could still have the same stereotype with a different conclusion by saying "Men have a harder time controlling their sexual urges, so we should be more vigilant about men when we're trying to catch somebody objectifying women." This seems to be how it ended up with blacks and crime. I'd say the outcomes that we don't like don't require the stereotypes, so the stereotypes themselves aren't harmful and it's OK if they turn out to be fundamentally true.

[ZenoArrow]

> "It's OK to argue. That's how we learn to see different viewpoints, rather than pretending to agree for sake of making everyone happy."

Discussion is fine, disagreement is fine, but arguing is more than just disagreement. If we can discuss respectfully then we can continue.

> "This seems to be how it ended up with blacks and crime. I'd say the outcomes that we don't like don't require the stereotypes, so the stereotypes themselves aren't harmful and it's OK if they turn out to be fundamentally true."

Regarding blacks and crime, which statistics is this backed up by? I suspect the truth may be more nuanced than a simple correlation, but lets start with the statistics.