[DrScump]

"However, you're incorrect to assume adding meats and dairy products - even so-called "lean" ones - which are laden with cholesterol, saturated and trans fats"

Oh, dear.

First of all, meat and dairy don't HAVE meaningful amounts of transfat. Problematic transfats are man-made.

Secondly, there is NO proven link at all between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol absent carbs, Essentially all blood cholesterol is manufactured by the liver.

By all means, display your "credible evidence" to the contrary.

[noondip]

> meat and dairy don't HAVE meaningful amounts of transfat

In fact, they absolutely do. It's no doubt hydrogenated oils found in processed snack foods add trans fat as well, hence my emphasis on whole plant foods.

> The major dietary sources of trans fats listed in decreasing order. Processed foods and oils provide approximately 80 percent of trans fats in the diet, compared to 20 percent that occur naturally in food from animal sources

> #1 Cakes, cookies, crackers, pies, bread, etc.

> #2 Animal products

> #3 Margarine

http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2005/document/html/ch...

> there is NO proven link at all between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol

Surely you jest?

> Serum cholesterol concentration is clearly increased by added dietary cholesterol but the magnitude of predicted change is modulated by baseline dietary cholesterol.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1534437

Or do you suppose this is all just a grand conspiracy by the fruit and vegetable industries?

[DrScump]

">>there is NO proven link at all between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol > >Surely you jest?

Here's a clear example of your intellectual dishonesty. You specifically cut out the "absent carbs" term when quoting me and then rattled off studies that specifically did not control for carb consumption.

[noondip]

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you've meant. What does carbohydrate intake have to do with dietary cholesterol? The paper I had linked was a review of many other studies, all of which had defined diets. Can you explain and cite any links between blood cholesterol and carbohydrate intake?

[voidlogic]

>there is NO proven link at all between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol absent carbs

I would change "NO proven link" to "only a weakly correlated link (assuming the patient is not a member of the 8-15% of the population estimated to have a mutation related to improper cholesterol homeostasis)"

:D