[1971genocide]

> The more 'batteries included' something is the more time you'll spend learning about the eco-system and less about the language per-se.

Not necessary. As a young programmer who did not grow up in the java dominated world of 1990-2008.

I took one look at Java and noped the fuck out.

I found C to be more useful.

But its hard to beat the simplicity of java-script.

[reitanqild]

General problem of Java: It lacks decent onboarding.

I disliked java after school and was convinced I was hopeless so I didn't even bother to apply for Java jobs. Then I was recruited into a Java position and picked up the necessary skills to work during my first 4 days and improved steadily from there, but it only worked for me because I was on a good team.

Now it is me who helps people using Java more efficiently : )