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by joe_the_user 3863 days ago
More slowly, he recounted the long list of relatives he lost over these decades of calamity, from a brother who died in the war against the Soviets in the 1980s to his 70-year-old brother-in-law, who was beheaded this month. The Taliban killed more than 19 relatives in all.

Indeed, it seems very likely that on the other side there are numerous individuals who have suffered similar losses and fight for similar reasons. And moreover, it seems likely that both sides will continue to inflict further deaths that will continue the process. And here, the idea that the tactic of using drone strike to kill Taliban leaders and "incidentally" many bystanders, could help put an end to the situation seems both absurd and grotesque.

Moreover, for as long as the war on drugs and geopolitical maneuvers pumps significant funds into underdeveloped, lawless areas, conflicts in those areas seem fated to continue in their present fashion - you'll always have machine guns and people with considerable motive to use them against people in the next village. The brutal views of ISIS and similar groups just seems a logical generalization of such a situation.

I guess it's not common knowledge that the ruling Shia-dominated government operated death-squads on a large scale in Iraq, targeting Sunni-ethnicity tribe people group now supporting ISIS/ISIL/daesh/etc.

"Not only counter-insurgency units such as the Wolf Brigade, the Scorpions and the Tigers, but the commandos and even the highway patrol police have been accused of acting as death squads."[1]

One more instance of after X many family members members have been killed, how much effort do you think someone is going to take to get revenge? And how many family members of someone else will they kill in that process?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badr_Organization

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There is an interesting reframing of "us versus them" here [1]:

It's the side of tribalism -- the primitive instinct that says your "group" has to win at all costs, and I honestly don't care how you define your group (race, religion, country, way of life) because ultimately I think there are the only two sides:

A. Those who think their tribe has to dominate Earth; B. Those who think tribes can coexist.

It's especially interesting to see that even when offered revenge on the people who took the life of his family immediately, Hajji chose the longer and more abstract fight against the entire organization whose flag he believes they were operating under.

1. http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-to-keep-terrorists-from-r...

I find it ironic hat the author is dividing all of humanity into two tribes (A and B) and then stating that they cannot coexist.
The philosopher Karl Popper wrote about this and called it the Paradox of Tolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Except that A by definition has a mandate of non-coexistence.
I'm sure plenty of "it's us or them" people justify it on the basis that the other group thinks "it's us or them."

In any case, I'm not criticizing the author. This sort of thing is a fundamental paradox of tolerance. It's hard to tolerate those who would not tolerate you.