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by TeMPOraL 3866 days ago
> They're paying you to take a ticket. That ticket then gives you an option to ride an airplane. Ticket use is not mandatory, not even ethically.

Fair enough, though I still feel there's an ethical problem with creating waste / disutility.

> I don't understand your optimization comment.

I was thinking about something like this: there are people who want to travel from B to C, but not enough to warrant a new route (or increase in service on that route). So the company figures, if they can get more people to travel from A to C by offering a cheaper ticket, they can bundle them together at B and now there's enough people on B->C route that it makes sense to fly it (more often). I'm also assuming that B acts as a hub - it makes no sense to have direct route between every city due to combinatorial explosion. So here, the cheaper A->B->C ticket exists to attract new people willing to go from A to C.

I guess you're right if you only look at the money made directly on tickets. I don't know if, and how often, airlines get subsidies based on the amount of people they move around but if they do, then having planes flying half-empty may be a loss for them. But personally, I don't consider the money earned by the airline as the most important variable. What matters more is, IMO, the amount of passengers being transported. More people getting to fly = better.

> I also don't understand your "flying privately" comment.

I don't know what's the usual short phrase to refer to people like tourists, who travel in their personal capacity - for leisure, to study abroad, to visit their family, etc. - as opposed to business travellers, who travel to make money, and whose tickets are often paid by their company.

A lot of price discrimination is designed around getting the business customers to subsidize the "casual" ones. My point was, as casual flyers, we wouldn't be able to afford the ticket if it was priced fairly. Pricing discrimination in airlines generally works in favour of ordinary people.

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Let's say you want to fly from A->B. You research prices, and you find two options. There's a direct flight from A->B that costs $400, or you can take an indirect flight through distant hub C that costs $200. Is it unethical or wasteful to choose A->C->B for $200? I think all of us would do this without a second thought, aside from willingly paying more in exchange for less hassle.

Compare to hidden city ticketing. Instead of buying A->C->B, you buy A->B->C for $200 and then stop at B. It's no more wasteful than buying A->C->B, it's just more comfortable for you. In fact, it's slightly less wasteful, because there's a possibility that the airline could give your empty B->C seat to a standby passenger.

Assuming you don't have an ethical problem with the A->C->B hub flight, why would you have a problem with the A->B(->C) hidden city ticketing flight because of waste or disutility (or indeed anything else)?

I have no problem with price discrimination. But there are good and bad ways to do price discrimination. For example, one common method for flight discrimination is to charge less for tickets purchased farther in advance. Casual travelers typically book their travel well in advance, whereas business and other travelers willing to pay more typically book their travel shortly before they fly. This is just smart business, and it ensures that people who really need it can fly when they need to, but people who are more price sensitive can still travel. And you can't really game this system.

Then you have airlines trying stupid tricks like charging negative prices for certain legs. This is just wasteful and stupid. Why should I feel in any way obligated to support this sort of price discrimination? They are welcome to try such nonsense, of course, but their customers are likewise welcome to take advantage of it. It is not our responsibility to make their pricing scheme work. They're the ones who need to figure out workable pricing schemes.