[glogla]

> Absolutely dangerous thinking is to declare cryptography off limits. With that in mind eventually you just scare more people to participate in this process and eventually be left with a tiny core community.

Cryptography is not "off limits". Cryptography is just a place where Not Invented Here approach is not just stupid, and incompetent, but dangerous.

[the_mitsuhiko]

> Cryptography is not "off limits". Cryptography is just a place where Not Invented Here approach is not just stupid, and incompetent, but dangerous.

That should apply equally to all parts of software engineering and with a big exception that says: unless you know what you are doing.

[epimenov]

There was a TOR talk where a person from China told that he recommended two systems to different people: TOR and some other one. The people he recommended the other one ended up in prison.

This kind of consequences you get when you falsely claim security. This is the main reason I want people stop saying that Telegram is somehow secure. It's just another messenger, people who need security should use something else. There must be no confusion about it.