[dj_axl]

> they're getting paid the same or more than existing software devs.

Ha. Look at some writeups of the SoCal Edison outsourcing, for example. U.S. citizens making $95K were replaced with H1-B workers earning $60-65K, and that's generously estimating the lower salaries. Tata and Infosys might pay their workers closer to $40-50K.

https://www.google.com/search?q=socal+edison+h1b+wages

[bduerst]

That's a non-issue.

They're currently under investigation for violating the immigration labor laws surrounding the H1B [1].

It's a different problem than the cap or the problem in the article. You're always going to have agencies trying to abuse a system regardless of whether there is a cap or not, and they will be investigated and penalized accordingly.

http://www.natlawreview.com/article/commentary-tata-consulta...

[s73v3r]

How can you say it's a non-issue when it's the exact thing that we've brought up as concerns? Especially when there's plenty of evidence that, not only does this happen, but it would happen more if the cap was removed?

[bduerst]

Because the fact that the USDL is currently acting on Tata's and Infosys's attempts to break the H1B laws shows that the system is enforcing the rules.

Meaning if there was a cap (or no cap), there would still be enforcement making it a non-issue.

[s73v3r]

Until we actually see punishment happen, and happen to the level where this behavior would be discouraged in the future, you cannot say that it is a non-issue.

[bduerst]

These proceedings take longer than several months, so you're certainly welcome to hold that burden of proof as your own personal opinion in the meantime.

[s73v3r]

Until something significant happens, and not just a slap on the wrist, my statement is the accurate one.